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Old 09-26-2017, 04:33 PM
 
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The victor always gets to write the history.
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Old 09-26-2017, 04:55 PM
 
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Ask any average high school educated person on the street and they’ll tell you the war was because the north wanted to free the slaves. The reason they believe that is because so much time is spent about talking about slavery, one would assume that must have been the objective.
The war was not fought to free the slaves

The war was fought, because the South seceded ..... because they felt that the US federal government was not defending the institution of slavery as agreed up in the constitution
and the North was not complying with federal laws that were passed to protect slavery.

The root cause was slavery, but it wasn't fought to free the slaves
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Old 09-26-2017, 11:02 PM
 
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The war was not fought to free the slaves

The war was fought, because the South seceded ..... because they felt that the US federal government was not defending the institution of slavery as agreed up in the constitution
and the North was not complying with federal laws that were passed to protect slavery.

The root cause was slavery, but it wasn't fought to free the slaves
Why not let the South secede? Why keep people part of something, against their will, that they have no desire to be a part of?

Like I said before, going to war to keep the South from seceding is like killing your spouse to keep them from leaving you.
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Old 09-27-2017, 12:26 AM
 
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Easy answer ... without looking it up = wealth/money

I just did a quick search

Cotton and the Civil*War | Mississippi History Now

On the eve of the American Civil War in the mid-1800s cotton was America’s leading export, and raw cotton was essential for the economy of Europe. The cotton industry was one of the world’s largest industries, and most of the world supply of cotton came from the American South. This industry, fueled by the labor of slaves on plantations, generated huge sums of money for the United States and influenced the nation’s ability to borrow money in a global market. In many respects, cotton’s financial and political influence in the 19th century can be compared to that of the oil industry in the early 21st century.
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Old 09-27-2017, 05:57 AM
 
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Easy answer ... without looking it up = wealth/money

I just did a quick search

Cotton and the Civil*War | Mississippi History Now

On the eve of the American Civil War in the mid-1800s cotton was America’s leading export, and raw cotton was essential for the economy of Europe. The cotton industry was one of the world’s largest industries, and most of the world supply of cotton came from the American South. This industry, fueled by the labor of slaves on plantations, generated huge sums of money for the United States and influenced the nation’s ability to borrow money in a global market. In many respects, cotton’s financial and political influence in the 19th century can be compared to that of the oil industry in the early 21st century.
I agree.
If the South was growing green beans instead of cotton, it would be it’s own country right now.
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Old 09-27-2017, 08:48 AM
 
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Sounds like at this point most of us agree on the cause of the Civil War = Economics (Slavery/Cotton)

Now .... I don't understand why so many people say that "it's difficult"
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Old 09-27-2017, 09:49 AM
 
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I agree.
If the South was growing green beans instead of cotton, it would be it’s own country right now.
I don't agree with that all. Throughout history nations have fought wars over land areas the size of provinces or counties. Now you guys are talking about the USA giving up the South, essentially an Empire in extent.

For example, earlier in the 19th century, the USA had pressured Spain to give up Florida in order to secure American borders. And that was just Florida, imagine a strong President like Lincoln giving up the entire South? I am not seeing it.

Not to mention, the South was, is and always has been more then just cotton .... or green beans!
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Old 09-27-2017, 10:23 AM
 
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I don't agree with that all. Throughout history nations have fought wars over land areas the size of provinces or counties. Now you guys are talking about the USA giving up the South, essentially an Empire in extent.

For example, earlier in the 19th century, the USA had pressured Spain to give up Florida in order to secure American borders. And that was just Florida, imagine a strong President like Lincoln giving up the entire South? I am not seeing it.

Not to mention, the South was, is and always has been more then just cotton .... or green beans!
I’m speculating. I have no idea why the US wanted so much land to begin with, but there’s a difference between potential territories with few settlers in it and developed states with differing ideologies and established economies who are voting participants in the federal government.

People talk endlessly about why the South seceded, but nobody seems to give a straight answer on why the North wanted it so much (so much so they were willing to destroy its infrastructure and sacrifice hundreds of thousands of soldiers to do so). Just “preserving the union” seems like a shallow answer.
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Old 09-27-2017, 10:44 AM
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I’m speculating. I have no idea why the US wanted so much land to begin with, but there’s a difference between potential territories with few settlers in it and developed states with differing ideologies and established economies who are voting participants in the federal government.

People talk endlessly about why the South seceded, but nobody seems to give a straight answer on why the North wanted it so much (so much so they were willing to destroy its infrastructure and sacrifice hundreds of thousands of soldiers to do so). Just “preserving the union” seems like a shallow answer.
"A house divided....."
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Old 09-27-2017, 10:56 AM
 
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Treason remains treason. There is no right to treason (secede) because you don't like the President. True in Lincoln's time as much as Obama's and Trump's. End of discussion.
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