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Old 06-18-2019, 10:58 AM
 
Location: Morrison, CO
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For the last several decades schools have become Progressive indoctrination centers. Of course they are going to teach you the Civil War was all about slavery, and the evil White Southern Man.
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Old 06-18-2019, 11:04 AM
 
Location: Parts Unknown, Northern California
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For the last several decades schools have become Progressive indoctrination centers. Of course they are going to teach you the Civil War was all about slavery, and the evil White Southern Man.
Except of course they do not teach that. The above is a proagandist's distortion of what is taught. Since you seem to think differently, how about producing an example of that for which you are complaining? Show us any school text which references white southerners as "evil." Show us a school text which states that slavery was the only cause of the war.

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Old 06-18-2019, 12:47 PM
 
Location: New York Area
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For the last several decades schools have become Progressive indoctrination centers. Of course they are going to teach you the Civil War was all about slavery, and the evil White Southern Man.
Even in my progressive High School and at Cornell I was not taught that at all.
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Old 06-18-2019, 01:39 PM
 
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Even in my progressive High School and at Cornell I was not taught that at all.
Nor in mine. Its actually best to ignore that poster. He makes one crazy comment after another. Everyone knows the public schools--despite their inadequacies in some areas--are not "progressive indoctrination centers".
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Old 06-18-2019, 01:44 PM
 
Location: New York Area
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Nor in mine. Its actually best to ignore that poster. He makes one crazy comment after another. Everyone knows the public schools--despite their inadequacies in some areas--are not "progressive indoctrination centers".
That poster is actually OK in some areas. A bit off in others.
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Old 06-19-2019, 04:26 AM
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We heard it from the horse's mouth, Mitch McConnell said we fought a Civil War to end slavery. But seriously folks, the Civil War is one of the most documented events in American History. You don't have to believe what anybody says. You can go to many state archives, historical newspapers, and personal diaries and read primary sources and find out for yourself.
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Old 06-19-2019, 05:16 AM
 
Location: North America
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For the last several decades schools have become Progressive indoctrination centers. Of course they are going to teach you the Civil War was all about slavery, and the evil White Southern Man.
Modern public school curricula generally teach that slavery was the primary cause of the Civil War. This is correct. We know it's correct because when the Southern state seceded, they very publicly aired their grievances for all posterity, and their overriding grievance was interference with slavery. They wanted, above all, the power to enslave, and they feared that that power - again, to enslave - was being encroached upon.

Here, in one page, are grouped the declarations of four of those states: Georgia, Mississippi, South Carolina, Texas. It's not all that long, but if you search on the word 'slave' you'll find that it appears 82 times. Again, that's just in the HERE'S-WHY-WE'RE-SECEDING! declarations of those states. You won't find the word 'tariff', and 'tax' appears only once (in a reference to taxation based on enumeration including slaves). You'll find 'right' appearing often (I mention this because 'States rights!' is the banal rallying cry of those who like to pretend that the Civil War wasn't primarily about slavery), and virtually every time the context is of the 'right' to enslave.
https://web.archive.org/web/19980128...r/reasons.html

In December 1860, with South Carolina on the verge of seceding, a group of Senators met to discuss possible compromises that would avert secession. The notorious Robert Toombs of Georgia, who would become Secretary of State in the Confederacy, proposed seven specific compromises: each was specifically about slavery. The single and simple compromise demanded by Senator Jefferson Davis (you've heard of him, right?) was that slavery must be left alone. Senator Hindman put forth eighrt compromises: seven about slavery, and one to give states power over federal appointments in their territory (obviously to the point of making sure those appointments were of slavery-friendly individuals). And the proposals by the Unionist Senators are slavery concessions designed to induce the slavery-obsessed secessionists not to secede.
The Committee of Thirteen

Yet again, the 1861 Cornerstone Speech by Vice President of the Confederacy Alexander Stephens, so named because in the speech he lays out the fact that slavery is the cornerstone upon which the Confederacy rests.
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Our new government is founded upon exactly the opposite idea; its foundations are laid, its corner-stone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery subordination to the superior race is his natural and normal condition.
Furthermore, Stephens very specifically declares slavery to be the cause of both secession and the war:
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The new constitution has put at rest, forever, all the agitating questions relating to our peculiar institution, African slavery as it exists amongst us – the proper status of the negro in our form of civilization. This was the immediate cause of the late rupture and present revolution.
https://teachingamericanhistory.org/...rstone-speech/

We know that secession and the subsequent war were primarily about slavery because the secessionists rather loudly declared that they seceded and fought primarily over slavery.
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Old 06-19-2019, 10:11 AM
 
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For the last several decades schools have become Progressive indoctrination centers. Of course they are going to teach you the Civil War was all about slavery, and the evil White Southern Man.
It was about slavery. Although feel free to provide any source or document saying otherwise.
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Old 06-19-2019, 01:56 PM
 
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Default The Corwin Amendment (1861)

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The Corwin Amendment is a proposed amendment to the United States Constitution that would shield "domestic institutions" of the states from the federal constitutional amendment process and from abolition or interference by Congress. Although the Corwin Amendment does not explicitly mention slavery, it was designed specifically to protect slavery from federal power. Congress proposed the Corwin Amendment on March 2, 1861, shortly before the outbreak of the American Civil War, but it was not ratified by the requisite number of states.
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(Text) 'No amendment shall be made to the Constitution which will authorize or give to Congress the power to abolish or interfere, within any State, with the domestic institutions thereof, including that of persons held to labor or service by the laws of said State.'
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Abraham Lincoln, in his first inaugural address on March 4, said of the Corwin Amendment:

'I understand a proposed amendment to the Constitution—which amendment, however, I have not seen—has passed Congress, to the effect that the Federal Government shall never interfere with the domestic institutions of the States, including that of persons held to service ... holding such a provision to now be implied constitutional law, I have no objection to its being made express and irrevocable.'
Source: Wiki article on the amendment

If the states which had already seceded had done so only or primarily because of the slavery issue, then under these circumstances it would have been logical to bring the secession process to a stop. The planters' investment in their labor force would have been protected, if the amendment had been ratified.

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Old 06-19-2019, 01:57 PM
 
Location: Round Rock, Texas
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Yes, it was about slavery being preserved along with hanging on to enough political power to continue with the status quo. Southern power brokers needed to keep the region’s economic engine going. Of course the progression of the industrial revolution would’ve made the institution of slavery obsolete in short order.
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