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Old 08-09-2018, 01:11 PM
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Alburqurque did have a policy of favoring and/or producing a light skinned Brahman class of collaborators & persecuting other sects & social classes, but again given as I said earlier of the decentralized system (even with governors & governed being of different sects) it did not seem that this more color (or again creed) caste consciousness penetrated from its coastal stronghold toward the interior, at least before the 19th century according to Humboldt.

Researches Into the Physical History of Mankind, Volume 4, p. 237 & 244.

Again, I don't think the events of the past several centuries should be projected back in the past as part of the propaganda of some utopian mythical prehistoric plantation (The Voyage of John Huyghen Van Linschoten to the East Indies, p. 183).

The plantation generations & the musta'afarangi, the mezo-ferengi.

Interesting how Nehru of the Afro-Asia Asabiya/Bandung Jamia generation was very weary of settler plantations, such as those right by his own coastal territories.

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Old 05-19-2019, 03:26 PM
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Again, I don't think the events of the past several centuries should be projected back in the past as part of the propaganda of some utopian mythical prehistoric plantation (The Voyage of John Huyghen Van Linschoten to the East Indies, p. 183).

The plantation generations & the musta'afarangi, the mezo-ferengi.

Interesting how Nehru of the Afro-Asia Asabiya/Bandung Jamia generation was very weary of settler plantations, such as those right by his own coastal territories.
Like the man said, (being of course C. Loring Brace, the Strong Man of physical anthropology), the replication of Atlantic plantation system through the world from the 15th -20th century should not be confused & convoluted with some pseudo-scientific theories of a "Neolithic diffusion or revolution". I'm not saying the remaining Stone Age Aborigines of the 19th & early 20th century were necessarily constructive but at the very least one can agree they were not as destructive as those who by their own admission were ready & willing to destroy the entire planet based on nothing else than their "God is greed & greed is good" ideology.

Cosmos: A Sketch of a Physical Description of the Universe, Volume 2; pg. 531.

Papers on Inter-racial Problems, p. 329

The Travels of Marco Polo: The Venetian, p.401

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Old 06-13-2019, 04:02 PM
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Not an expert on the subject, but I remember reading somewhere that the Muslims in India didn't target Hinduism because, even though it was very widespread among the population, it wasn't as organized and politically / institutionally important as Buddhism (especially some Monasteries which enjoyed vast privileges and influence), so they concentrated most of their efforts against the latter, causing it to nearly go extinct in India. That's probably a major generalization though....

Frankly, the multi-national east indies corps have been the ones calling the shots since the 15th century up until this day.
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Old 02-08-2020, 12:56 PM
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Like the man said, (being of course C. Loring Brace, the Strong Man of physical anthropology), the replication of Atlantic plantation system through the world from the 15th -20th century should not be confused & convoluted with some pseudo-scientific theories of a "Neolithic diffusion or revolution". I'm not saying the remaining Stone Age Aborigines of the 19th & early 20th century were necessarily constructive but at the very least one can agree they were not as destructive as those who by their own admission were ready & willing to destroy the entire planet based on nothing else than their "God is greed & greed is good" ideology.

Cosmos: A Sketch of a Physical Description of the Universe, Volume 2; pg. 531.

Papers on Inter-racial Problems, p. 329

The Travels of Marco Polo: The Venetian, p.401
Also related to this theme, the Eurasian population of the Dutch East Indies were often referred to as Indo-Euro.

Again I think one should be careful as describing events that happened since the 15th century; when the cartels, corporatists their slaver sidekicks from the man-children & the spawn of the latter with the former two; set up the current global plantation system as something being ancient, holy & primeval.

Frankly by their own admission, it was all about greed, selfishness & narcissism.

Of course its not likely these topics will get discussed since often times the media & academia function as the propaganda & p.r. wing of the neo-national socialists cartels & the fascist corporatists (the slaver sidekicks & the spawn just ape, assimilate & imitate the most disgusting & despicable aspects of massah & the plantation).
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Was there such a thing as a unified Hinduism before British rule in India, or were the Indian sects of Hinduism sects in their own right, which often violently clashed with each other as much as they clashed with Islam? https://www.newstatesman.com/node/156145
India has been at the mercy of the Islamic Mughal rule for 800 years before the British arrived and many Indians preferred the British over the Muslims, which is why Britain was able to rule a country of that size and population with less than 70,000 troops.

Mughal Empire - Wikipedia

Britain initially establishedl trade with India through the Charted Companies and this grew in to Empire.

Britain didn't invade India what happened was Chartered companies such as the East India Company started trading and doing deals with the Maharajas (Crown Princes) who ran areas of India and who had their own armies, and closer ties came through this.

Britain has always been very grateful to the millions of Indians who volunteered to fight for Britain in both in WW1 and against fascism in WW2.

The British set up a civil service and government, western education, modern medicine and the rule of law, they also put in place local works, famine relief, and irrigation projects, most notably in the Punjab, which benefited enormously from what was then the largest irrigation project in the world.

At least Britain left good a transport hubs in relation to trading ports and one of the largest railway systems in the world and a system of trade which benefits India today, which is more than continued Islamic rule would have done.

Furthermore even at the hright of British rule, Britain never had more than 70,000 troops in India and relied upon native troops, police and bureaucrats.

The Indiand could have made the British leave at any time if they really wanted to, but they chose not too, partly because of their past, partly because of the wealth generated by Empire and partly because the Hindhu religion and culture was now able to thrive and Indians were able to learn more about their rich culture amd history.

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Despite the country's vast population, there were never more than 70,000 British troops in India; the running of the country required an enormous infrastructure of native troops, police and bureaucrats. As Hitler observed, Indians merely had to spit all at once and every Briton in India would have drowned.

Indians assisted with Empire because it brought them unprecedented order and civility. Indians were no strangers to outside rulers; for eight centuries before the Raj, the sub-continent had been subjected to the plunder and depravity of the Mughals - Muslim rulers who came from as far west as Turkey.

Delhi was razed eight times in that period and great pyramids were constructed with the skulls of its inhabitants.

Because Islam permits the enslavement of non-Muslims, Indians were sold across the Islamic world in such quantities that the international price of slaves collapsed. The Afghan mountain range of the Hindu Khush (which translates as the 'Hindu Slaughter') is named after the huge numbers who died there while being marched to the markets of Arabia and Central Asia.

For all the artistic refinement and opulence of India's past rulers - and their poetry, music, and the magnificence of the Taj Mahal are testament to that - they oversaw a period of general barbarism in which the ordinary Indian was no more than a starving chattel.

The rebellions which eventually arose against the Mughals - such as the Sikhs in Punjab and the Marathas in the south - fractured the rulers' power, and enabled the British to get their own foot in the door.

At this point, it's important to remember that the British did not arrive in an idyllic sub-continent full of happy, contented Indians, but in one in extreme turmoil.

And, though primarily motivated by profit, they sought to apply humane values - even if at gunpoint.

In 1846, the British commissioner, John Lawrence, told the local elite that Punjabis could no longer burn their widows, commit female infanticide, nor bury their lepers alive.

When they protested, saying that he had promised there would be no interference in their religious customs, Lawrence steadfastly replied that it was British religious custom to hang anyone who did such things.

In addition to combating these barbaric practices, the British also outlawed slavery in 1843 at a time when an estimated 10 million Indians were slaves - up to 15 per cent of the population in some regions.

Yes, British rule was exploitative and took away more than it provided, but compared to what Indians had known previously, there was much to be thankful for.

This gratitude expressed itself in 1939 when, at the height of the independence movement led by Jawaharlal Nehru and Mahatma Gandhi, two million Indians nonetheless enlisted in the fight against fascism - the largest volunteer army in history.

It's no overstatement to say that, without the British, Indians would not even know what it is to be Indian.

After 800 years of Mughal rule, Hindu culture was in terminal decline and it was the likes of Warren Hastings and William Jones, the founders of the Asiatic Society, who began the collection and renewed study of India's ancient texts, educating Indians about their own rich and unique past.

And it was a Briton, Allan Octavian Hume, who helped found the Indian national Congress - the political party that would eventually lead the country to independence.

Thousands of Indians died building the railways of the Raj, but countless more died building the Taj Mahal and other useless baubles for their earlier rulers.

For all they extracted from India, the British left behind a practical network of transportation, governance and values without which India would not be the dynamic democracy it is today.

It is a mark of India's quiet appreciation as well as its great self-confidence that it asks for no apology for the past.

Out of respect, no Briton should be condescending enough to offer one.

Britain has no need to make an apology to India for Empire - Nirpal Dhaliwal

The time when the British army was really stretched - BBC News


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Here are some tidbits about the "Company Men" who were the de facto, if not de jure rulers of the East Indies, as well as its 2 gulfs.

From the school of Blumenbach.

Travels in Nubia: East India Company.

The current corporate gubbernance in the eastern part are the successors to the previous east indian corps.

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As the international oil industry began to prosper at the close of the 19th century, Gulbenkian performed an integral role in the organization of the Royal Dutch-Shell Group and served as a liaison between American and Russian oil industries. He launched the industry in the Persian Gulf and was instrumental in helping the French gain access to oil in the Middle East for the first time. Gulbenkian also was involved in negotiations to divide the shares of the former Turkish Petroleum Company (today Iraq Petroleum Company) into four major oil companies.

metmuseum.org:MASTERPIECES FROM LISBON'S GULBENKIAN MUSEUM ON VIEW AT METROPOLITAN MUSEUM
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