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Old 11-17-2017, 11:07 AM
 
Location: Seoul
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What was the first country that would be considered "developed" by modern standards? And at what time?


Maybe United States in the 60s? The lifespan back then was still kinda short by modern standards, but the average income was excellent when adjusted for inflation, and the education was very good too
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Old 11-17-2017, 11:19 AM
 
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Before you can settle on which nation qualifies as the first developed, it would be wise to present some definition of developed. That is really what any argument here would be about...not the nation, but the proper definition. Once that is established, then it will be easy to identify which nation most closely fits that definition.
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Old 11-17-2017, 11:20 AM
 
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United Kingdom.

The Netherlands and Belgium were the second in order. Then France, the US and Prussia, Hannover, Bavaria, Bremen and some other countries that became Germany.
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Old 11-17-2017, 11:27 AM
 
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Before you can settle on which nation qualifies as the first developed, it would be wise to present some definition of developed. That is really what any argument here would be about...not the nation, but the proper definition. Once that is established, then it will be easy to identify which nation most closely fits that definition.
Like if someone teleported that nation to 2017, and it would be considered a developed country by everyone. Like if you teleported Roman Empire from 200AD into 2017, it would look like an absolute ****hole, even tho it was very advanced for the time. But if you teleported 1970 US into 2017, it would probably be considered developed even by 2017 standards
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Old 11-17-2017, 11:43 AM
 
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Like if someone teleported that nation to 2017, and it would be considered a developed country by everyone. Like if you teleported Roman Empire from 200AD into 2017, it would look like an absolute ****hole, even tho it was very advanced for the time. But if you teleported 1970 US into 2017, it would probably be considered developed even by 2017 standards
But we can't do that, as many things that were the norm in 1970 would be considered completely backwards today.
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Old 11-17-2017, 12:00 PM
 
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I have no idea what this question means. First you have to define "developed", then you have to define "modern", then you have to define the criteria to determine both.

The thread is unanswerable.
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Old 11-17-2017, 01:06 PM
 
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Like if someone teleported that nation to 2017, and it would be considered a developed country by everyone. Like if you teleported Roman Empire from 200AD into 2017, it would look like an absolute ****hole, even tho it was very advanced for the time. But if you teleported 1970 US into 2017, it would probably be considered developed even by 2017 standards
Well then, you have a grasp of the relativity problems this question presents in the absence of an agreed upon definition of "developed."
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Old 11-17-2017, 01:16 PM
 
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But we can't do that, as many things that were the norm in 1970 would be considered completely backwards today.
I would not say backwards so much as embryonic. You had most of the things we have today, but in less-sophisticated variations.
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Old 11-18-2017, 07:50 AM
 
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United Kingdom.

The Netherlands and Belgium were the second in order. Then France, the US and Prussia, Hannover, Bavaria, Bremen and some other countries that became Germany.
Sounds about right.

Modern: involving recent techniques, methods, or ideas

Developed: having a relatively high level of industrialization and standard of living

They're in the dictionary.
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Old 11-18-2017, 08:15 AM
 
Location: Jacksonville, FL
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I would not say backwards so much as embryonic. You had most of the things we have today, but in less-sophisticated variations.
I'm pretty sure my children would not consider the 1970s "developed" at all. I had to explain to my 12 year old what a payphone was. On top of that, many common items today were either nonexistent or only existed in SciFi. Mobile phones, tablets, smart houses, etc. - and that's just a few technological miracles that would have left the 10-year-old me stupified. Add in the general social atmosphere of the seventies, with the accepted sexism and racism, and it's difficult to call that decade "developed".

Perhaps I'm being too picky, but I don't feel that you can go more than +/-20 years into the past and still consider that society developed.

Again, it depends on your definition of developed. If you use one particular category, you may be able to hedge it, but even that's iffy. Medically, the Seventies were neolithic compared to today. Hell, my family physician smoked while talking to you about the dangers of smoking (ironic side note, he died of a heart attack at a cardiologist conference).

The farther you spread the definition, the closer you have to come to the present. Chances are, 30 years from now 2017 will be considered barbaric.

My wife has an interesting point of view: Who was the first society to have sewage disposal that didn't involve dumping waste into the water supply? Seems simplistic at first, but it may be a valid definition.
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