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Old 08-12-2018, 02:26 AM
 
Location: Glasgow Scotland
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Have never been to see this but looks interesting...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZzKV33LBhs
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Old 08-12-2018, 09:51 AM
 
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It sounds like that ^^^ is a different one, from the one that gets the most publicity, in the Shetlands at Lerwick, I'm not sure. This has always fascinated me. These celebrations are a yule-tide tradition from the Viking era, that mark Scotland's Viking history. The announcer on your video almost sounds like he's speaking Norwegian. lol! That accent! There's so much Norwegian influence up there, it fascinates. me. Scottish vocabulary, for example, is peppered with Scandi loan words. "Tarn" for example, meaning something in-between a lake and a pond, in size. "Tide", as in yule-tide, comes from "tid", meaning "time" in Norwegian. "Yule" also is a Scandi word, I think. The Wiki article below also mentions "guizers" (masked ceremonial actors), from which our term "geezers" (referring to elderly people) comes.

I eat this stuff up! Thanks for posting this topic! The celebration of Up Helly Aa ('helly" meaning Holy, from the germanic "heilig", Norwegian "hellig", pronounced "helly") has been attracting international tourists for generations, from what I understand.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Up_Helly_Aa

The Norm language, a derivative of Norwegian in the northern Scottish isles, survived until 1850, when its last speaker died. I'd love to study the peculiarities of the local dialect of English up there, to ferret out the Norwegian influence.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norn_language
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Old 08-12-2018, 12:35 PM
 
Location: Independent Republic of Ballard
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The Scandinavian influence reached much further south: eggs, gift, they/them/their, law, bylaw, thrall, crave, steak, knife, husband, fellow, sky, wing, haven, root, skill, anger, gate, meek, low, scant, loose, odd, wrong, ill, ugly, rotten, happy, seemly, thrive, die, cast, hit, take, call, want, scare, scrape, scream, scrub, scowl, skulk, thwart, bask, busk, drown, ransack, gape, fro, till, bread. Placenames ending in -by, -thorp, -beck, -dale, -thwaite.

Read Growth and Structure of the English Language by Otto Jespersen: https://www.amazon.com/Growth-Struct...4098727&sr=1-2
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Old 08-12-2018, 01:08 PM
 
Location: Parts Unknown, Northern California
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The Scandinavian influence reached much further south: eggs, gift, they/them/their, law, bylaw, thrall, crave, steak, knife, husband, fellow, sky, wing, haven, root, skill, anger, gate, meek, low, scant, loose, odd, wrong, ill, ugly, rotten, happy, seemly, thrive, die, cast, hit, take, call, want, scare, scrape, scream, scrub, scowl, skulk, thwart, bask, busk, drown, ransack, gape, fro, till, bread. Placenames ending in -by, -thorp, -beck, -dale, -thwaite.

Read Growth and Structure of the English Language by Otto Jespersen: https://www.amazon.com/Growth-Struct...4098727&sr=1-2
The influence seems uncommonly fortunate in having introduced a lot of negative connotation words. Ransack, anger, wrong, rotten.....public relations would seem a Viking weakness.
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Old 08-12-2018, 01:11 PM
 
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The Scandinavian influence reached much further south: eggs, gift, they/them/their, law, bylaw, thrall, crave, steak, knife, husband, fellow, sky, wing, haven, root, skill, anger, gate, meek, low, scant, loose, odd, wrong, ill, ugly, rotten, happy, seemly, thrive, die, cast, hit, take, call, want, scare, scrape, scream, scrub, scowl, skulk, thwart, bask, busk, drown, ransack, gape, fro, till, bread. Placenames ending in -by, -thorp, -beck, -dale, -thwaite.

Read Growth and Structure of the English Language by Otto Jespersen: https://www.amazon.com/Growth-Struct...4098727&sr=1-2
Also place names ending in -wick (from "vik" as in Viking".
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Old 08-16-2018, 06:17 AM
 
Location: London
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Also place names ending in -wick (from "vik" as in Viking".
And ending in thorp and by. The Wirral, opposite Liverpool in the Liverpool City Region, in England has strong Viking connections, with over 42% of the people having strong Scandinavian DNA.
https://www.nottingham.ac.uk/-sczste...ING_WIRRAL.pdf
"Forget Westminster; the first parliament in the UK was on the Wirral, that finger of Merseyside scratching Liverpool's ear. It is the nation's capital of Viking history."

"Though part of a bracing walk overlooking the river Dee estuary, it's all a bit suburban now, but the big field at Cross Hill on the Barnston Road at Thingwall saw our first democratic debates between 902 and the Norman conquest."
https://www.theguardian.com/travel/2...rral-liverpool


A Viking longboat was found buried at Meols on The Wirral.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...-car-park.html

https://www.nottingham.ac.uk/-sczste...olsPubBoat.pdf


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Old 10-20-2018, 08:04 AM
 
Location: Earth
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Have never been to see this but looks interesting...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZzKV33LBhs

We attended the Up Helly AA festival in Lerwick, on Feb 2018, which holds the largest one in the Shetland Is.


It was one an unforgettable trip. Highly suggest planning ahead, we did about a year in advance as it's quite popular there are not many places to stay so it's important to do so. They even have cruise ships bringing in those who want to experience this festival. If you go do your best to stay in a hotel or B&B that offers tickets to the parties afterwards, they're not to be missed and they're a lot of fun, the costume worn by the "Vikings" and the Jarl are beautifully made, the winged helmet are awesome. It's a nighttime event so it's important to find the best place where you can see the torch parade and the burning of the Viking ship and get there early, the weather is cold, raining and drizzling at the time so bring waterproof jackets, gloves, hats and pants. There were many folks wearing ski pants. Also bring a good pair of binoculars to see the small details the eyes might miss
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Old 10-21-2018, 03:47 PM
 
Location: London
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There's so much Norwegian influence up there
The biggest landowner in Scotland is Danish:
https://www.scotsman.com/lifestyle/t...land-1-4811678
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Old 10-21-2018, 07:49 PM
 
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The Scandinavian influence reached much further south: eggs, gift, they/them/their, law, bylaw, thrall, crave, steak, knife, husband, fellow, sky, wing, haven, root, skill, anger, gate, meek, low, scant, loose, odd, wrong, ill, ugly, rotten, happy, seemly, thrive, die, cast, hit, take, call, want, scare, scrape, scream, scrub, scowl, skulk, thwart, bask, busk, drown, ransack, gape, fro, till, bread. Placenames ending in -by, -thorp, -beck, -dale, -thwaite.

Read Growth and Structure of the English Language by Otto Jespersen: https://www.amazon.com/Growth-Struct...4098727&sr=1-2
No doubt.

From the 9th century on, Danish invaders held much of England, the amount of territory held (the Danelaw) varying over time. Sweyn Forkbeard, a Danish king, briefly ruled England in the early 11th century. Canute the Great then was King of England beginning in 1016 and reigned for almost two decades, his Danish successors another six years.

The influence of Old Norse on Old English (or, Anglo-Saxon) was tremendous not just in vocabulary but in grammar and syntax. Much of it lives on today in modern English.
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Old 10-22-2018, 02:07 PM
 
Location: London
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The influence of Old Norse on Old English (or, Anglo-Saxon) was tremendous not just in vocabulary but in grammar and syntax. Much of it lives on today in modern English.
Old Norse is the base of English.

The Outer Hebrides and the Isle of Man were a part of Norway at one time.
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