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Old 02-14-2019, 03:08 PM
 
Location: Aurora Denveralis
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Reparations of some sort, support, is the key. With that, they would have done better in the US than they ultimately did, too. Something like the GI Bill, to give them a boost, could have made a huge difference initially, but then there's that "the way the next 100 years went" issue, gumming up the potential.
If the US has one national shame, it's the utter botchwork we made of Reconstruction.

We could have entirely solved the problems by 1900, to untold benefit in uncountable ways, were it not for a relatively small number of weak, greedy and racist leaders.
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Old 02-14-2019, 03:16 PM
 
Location: State of Transition
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What would American society be like without the African influence?
No jazz! No Dixieland bands! Musical culture would be the poorer for it.
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Old 02-14-2019, 03:31 PM
 
Location: Aurora Denveralis
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No jazz! No Dixieland bands! Musical culture would be the poorer for it.
You know that Dixieland is white-guys ripoff of black jazz traditions, right?

Probably the only thing in the entire jazz etc. spectrum I can't abide. Makes my teeth hurt. So when my hometown founded, then became internationally famous for a music festival... it was Dixieland, of course.
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Old 02-14-2019, 04:20 PM
 
Location: Round Rock, Texas
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As a case in study, the Liberia experiment didn't work out that well...
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Old 02-14-2019, 04:32 PM
 
Location: Aurora Denveralis
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As a case in study, the Liberia experiment didn't work out that well...
No other outcome was in the cards, as they were dealt. A sturdy tree can't grow from poisoned fruit.
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Old 02-14-2019, 04:38 PM
 
Location: Morrison, CO
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No jazz! No Dixieland bands! Musical culture would be the poorer for it.
True. However, maybe less violence, less drugs, less horrible behavior and the demonization of women and education.
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Old 02-14-2019, 04:44 PM
 
Location: Aurora Denveralis
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True. However, maybe less violence, less drugs, less horrible behavior and the demonization of women and education.
Well. Nothing racist here. Of course an excess of ex-slaves is what ruined America, right?
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Old 02-14-2019, 05:53 PM
 
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When the U.S. abolished the trans-Atlantic trade, breeding programs were set up to maintain the plantation system. Some states were so successful, they were able to not only meet their own local labor needs but those of other states.

I guess chattel & cattle have more in common than just the rhymes.
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Old 02-14-2019, 06:06 PM
 
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When the U.S. abolished the trans-Atlantic trade, breeding programs were set up to maintain the plantation system. Some states were so successful, they were able to not only meet their own local labor needs but those of other states.

I guess chattel & cattle have more in common than just the rhymes.
This is just totally illogical. I can't believe some people can't see the holes in the slavery narrative as it's currently told. Do you guys know how long it takes a human being to birth a baby? Then if the child even lives, the minimum age it would take before said child can be productive? Time and time again slave owners talked about how women and children were basically useless. So how were these alleged baby-making slave farms profitable for plantation owners? People just don't use logic, I tell ya.

What happens today is the same thing that happened in the past: nations wage war on other nations; men are killed. The captors steal the land; women and children are the bounty of said captors. A lot of the Caribbean slaves (who were native people) came from America. Not Africa.

"Breeding programs". LOL
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Old 02-14-2019, 06:18 PM
 
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This is just totally illogical. I can't believe some people can't see the holes in the slavery narrative as it's currently told. Do you guys know how long it takes a human being to birth a baby? Then if the child even lives, the minimum age it would take before said child can be productive? Time and time again slave owners talked about how women and children were basically useless. So how were these alleged baby-making slave farms profitable for plantation owners? People just don't use logic, I tell ya.

What happens today is the same thing that happened in the past: nations wage war on other nations; men are killed. The captors steal the land; women and children are the bounty of said captors. A lot of the Caribbean slaves (who were native people) came from America. Not Africa.

"Breeding programs". LOL
Resting on the credibility of the afrocentric feel good community.

Yeah right.

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