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Old 02-22-2019, 01:45 AM
 
Location: Glasgow Scotland
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Well well.. this I had never heard of .. what were you thinking Mr Lennon.. https://www.nzcatholic.org.nz/2014/0...h-catholicism/ Im now seeing Mr Lennon in a new light and its not a nice one. https://www.independent.ie/world-new...-26125005.html
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2000/...d.martinbright

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Old 02-22-2019, 02:08 AM
 
Location: Cebu, Philippines
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Please summarize the main points of a very long article.

From your introductory remarks, am I to understand that the families of certain people are not deserving of help?
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Old 02-22-2019, 02:40 AM
 
Location: Glasgow Scotland
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Please summarize the main points of a very long article.

From your introductory remarks, am I to understand that the families of certain people are not deserving of help?
He also gave large sums to the IRA.. he was British and should have acted as such.....He was protected by the British troops and government who were at that time blowing up parts of London. Lennon and his wife Yoko Ono regularly participated in protests against British rule in Northern Ireland as well as ones in favour of the IRA. In fact, Lennon donated the royalties from his politically charged song “The Luck of the Irish” off his 1972 Some Time in New York City album to Irish Northern Aid, an organisation that gave financial support to the families of imprisoned IRA members.
Although Lennon was heavily involved in lending his name, his time and his money on behalf of the civil rights of Catholics in Northern Ireland, he never embraced Catholicism himself despite regularly boasting of his Irish Catholic background.
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Old 02-22-2019, 06:03 AM
 
Location: England
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John Lennon was no saint. Ask his son Julian.
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Old 02-22-2019, 06:25 AM
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Location: Great Britain
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Well well.. this I had never heard of .. what were you thinking Mr Lennon.. https://www.nzcatholic.org.nz/2014/0...h-catholicism/ Im now seeing Mr Lennon in a new light and its not a nice one. https://www.independent.ie/world-new...-26125005.html
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2000/...d.martinbright
TBH - giving money to terrorist groups sch as the IRA was perfectly legal unti US Presidentl George W. Bush stopped all funding for terrorist groups.

After 9/11 the US was put in a situation where the country could no longer tolerate such funding. It also should be noted that the US Courts never extradited any wanted IRA members during the troubles, even those wanted for murdering British soldiers.

The Good Friday agreement did help stop terrorism, however it was the cutting off of US funding post 9/11 and the demise of other terrorist funders such as Colonel Gaddafi that saw lasting peace.

IRA acted after Bush warning on terrorism - Telegraph

I'll never deal with Adams again, says Bush - Telegraph

As for Lennon, he was never the saint he was made out to be, indeed a rather appalling video of him mocking the disabled at a Beatles concert came out a few years ago.

The other video is of the Northern Irish band Stiff Little Fingers wrote the very apt song 'Each Dollar a Bullet'. Rather ironically it was a bullet that put an end to John Lennon's life.


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Old 02-22-2019, 09:07 AM
 
Location: western East Roman Empire
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As for Lennon, he was never the saint he was made out to be ...
By whom and when, exactly, was he ever made out to be a saint? Do you have a video of that too?


He came across exactly as he was: a highly insecure individual with a troubled family background who also had enormous, mostly self-taught, talent in composing popular musical experiences of high artistic merit, in collaboration with a few others.

Nothing he ever said, whether by lyric in popular tunes or otherwise, or did outside of music had any value. And, to be sure, the dumbest thing he did was involvement in politics.

His value is recorded in the around 3-minute musical experiences he shared with millions of others time and again during a relatively brief stretch from about 1963 to 1970 when he was mostly in his 20s, and a few others dispersed here and there until 1980.

In fact, that sort of creative peak and tapering, like a comet which also wreaks destruction, is typical among so-called rock n' rollers.

One even observes it in financial markets among currency traders, for example.

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Old 02-22-2019, 09:38 AM
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By whom and when, exactly, was he ever made out to be a saint? Do you have a video of that too?
I remember the real John Lennon, not the one airbrushed by history - The Telgraph

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He came across exactly as he was: a highly insecure individual with a troubled family background who also had enormous, mostly self-taught, talent in composing popular musical experiences of high artistic merit, in collaboration with a few others.

Nothing he ever said, whether by lyric in popular tunes or otherwise, or did outside of music had any value. And, to be sure, the dumbest thing he did was involvement in politics.

His value is recorded in the around 3-minute musical experiences he shared with millions of others time and again during a relatively brief stretch from about 1963 to 1970 when he was mostly in his 20s, and a few others dispersed here and there until 1980.

In fact, that sort of creative peak and tapering, like a comet which also wreaks destruction, is typical among so-called rock n' rollers.

One even observes it in financial markets among currency traders, for example.
Lennon became almost worshipped after his death, and the real Lennon was indeed substituted for some saint like mythical figure, who wanted world peace and sang songs like Imagine and Woman. There is even a book called Saint John Lennnon and Lennon has even ben referred to as the Patron Saint of Peace and Love in the past. Whilst Yoko Ono has been living on the back of Lennon's fame for decades. Some pop stars just take on a persona that is far from the truth, indeed just look at tax dodging Bono of U2.

'Dad was a hypocrite. He could talk about peace and love to the world but he could never show it to his wife and son' - The Telegraph

John Lennon's dark side from domestic violence and emotional abuse to mocking disabled people - The Mirror

A cruel, greedy, selfish monster: A peace-loving visionary? No, argues a blistering book. John Lennon was a nasty piece of work who epitomised our age of self-obsession


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Old 02-22-2019, 09:43 AM
 
Location: The High Desert
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By whom and when, exactly, was he ever made out to be a saint?
He cured me of listning to mind-numbing teeny-bopper music.
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Old 02-22-2019, 09:59 AM
 
Location: western East Roman Empire
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I remember the real John Lennon, not the one airbrushed by history - The Telegraph



Lennon became almost worshipped after his death, and the real Lennon was indeed substituted for some saint like mythical figure, who wanted world peace and sang songs like Imagine and Woman.
What does "almost worshiped" mean? Do you have a video of people "almost worshiping" John Lennon?

Who, exactly, did this "substituting"? Do you have a video of people "substituting" the real John Lennon?

There is a
video of the Beatles doing a press interview in Los Angeles in 1966, just for example, and it is clearly observable what a lost and pained soul the real John Lennon is.

Look, I know we all have our own views, we see and hear and feel what we want to see and hear and feel, and personally I never give a pence's worth of value to anything a pop star, or any celebrity or a politician for that matter, says, or even does.

Except in the experience of their professional performance, which is where the value lies, what I am paying money - or dedicating time and energy - to see and hear and feel.

Yes, sure, a lot of people focus on somebody else's airbrush description of what this or that celebrity or politician said or did or was.

Personally, I don't buy it.

I understand, maybe people born after 1980 need to have the record set straight; but it's already all there on record, in first person.

Still, an interesting topic, thanks for sharing.

All the best!

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Old 02-22-2019, 10:03 AM
 
Location: London
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he was British and should have acted as such.
He was, he was exercising his rights to freedom. There were problems in his own country, Northern Ireland is in the UK, an internal problem. He saw a particular solution expressing it. Sounds good to me.
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