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Originally Posted by bigbioman23
If European explorers never settled in America, what would of happened throughout the course of history as a result? What would of happened in terms of the spread of democracy, industrial revolution, rise of nationalism, world wars, and spread of communism? I know that America and none of us Americans would be existing right now, but try to look at all of the other aspects as well.
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In North America, nothing would have happened very slowly.
If you would come to North America now, you'd see primitive peoples living in teepees and wigwams hunting with spears and bows and arrows.
North America is just too expansive and there's no one here. There are no pressures whatsoever, least of all population pressures and without population pressures there's no change.
In Europe, Portugal and Spain would have collapsed earlier than they did.
Would Napoleon have come round? I think so. His existence and acts aren't dependent on the existence of the US.
Would you have democracy?
No.
You still had monarchies in the 20th Century. The only reason the monarchies stepped aside is due to pressure from the US after WW I.
And you still would have had a WW I.
The British and French were chaffing at the expansion of Germany. The Germans had colonies in Africa and China and the British and French were totally infuriated, because that meant less spoils for them.
And with colonies comes not just a larger merchant fleet to support the colonies, it requires a larger naval force not just to protect the merchant fleet, but also to push your hegemony on your colonies.
As the German navy expanded, the Brits and French were just totally livid.
That's why the Treaty of Versailles was so harsh. The whole point was to put the Germans down and keep them down so they could never compete against France and Britain, who gleefully took over all of Germany's colonies in Africa and Asia (although the US took over Germany's colonies in China).
The industrial revolution still would have happened.
Nationalism had nothing to do with the US and everything to do with supra-tribes coalescing into nation-States, which is what Vienna was all about.
Communism had nothing to do with the US, either.
Karl Marx is still going to write his book. The Germans are still going to ship Lenin to Russia to get Russia out of the war.
As far as the spread of communism, the imbecile Churchill did that.
At the end of WW II, my grandfather's unit was sitting in Czechoslovakia. The Soviets didn't force them to leave, Churchill did.
The Romanians and Bulgarians did not elect Churchill as their president, but he gave them away to Stalin.
If it wasn't for the idiot Eisenhower, the US would have taken Berlin before the Soviets got into Germany.
Even so, if the US and Brits had turned on the Soviets, the war would have ended in 30-60 days.
The US had 5 years of supplies sitting in France. That's 5 years worth of weapons, ammunition, food, medical supplies, quartermaster supplies, vehicle and aircraft parts and fuel for every vehicle and aircraft in the ETO.
The US could have continued the war for another 5 years without a single shipment from the US.
Do you have any idea how many rivers are in Poland?
32. That's thirty-two.
And those are just the rivers that are 100 miles or longer.
Use B-17s to bomb marshaling areas and supply depots; B-24s and B-25s to hit bridges across rivers; and B-29s to pull a Dresden/Tokyo on 4 or 5 Soviet cities and it's game over in 30 days.
30 days could have saved the World 30+ years of problems.
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