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Yeap. There were two major groups: Nazi collaborators and war prisoners. All were filtrated to verify claims; war prisoners were freed, collaborators executed. What's the issue?
The only problem with that operation was the pre-WWI/WWII emigrants that also were moved to Russia. It was a not major group, but nonetheless there were cases. Not all of them wanted back. For those I would agree that move was wrong.
Too bad time travel doesn't exist, because you would have been a great recruit for the NKVD and been able to serve the glorious Stalin.
That is, until you may have been suspected of counterrevolutionary thought, or bourgeois ideas.
Problem is that there are no reliable sources neither for SU famine, neither for US one. So researches apply same method: get the graph if population growth, and see if there are any dips, or so called "absent people". For example, if each year for last 20 years population grew by 2 mln each year, and then for couple years there is no such growth, it raises a question: what happened? If after taking out migration numbers and other appropriate adjustments numbers still do not align, we can say - something happened. That's how famine death toll calculated for SU, and exactly same way for US during Great Depression:
An article from Pravda? Really? Let's be nice and just say that the Russian government newspaper is not an acceptable source.
Those missing seven million people did not die of famine. Rather, they were the result of a declining birthrate during the years of the Great Depression. No surprise there. Birthrates decline during bad economic times and they increase during good economic times. One dramatic example of this was the huge increase in the birthrate that occurred following World War II during the Baby Boom Era.
If famine had occurred in America, you would be able find large burial pits where the victims were buried. You'd find many newspaper stories about this "famine" that occurred. Family members or descendants of those who survived would have anecdotes and tales about all of this. Family diaries would be full of stories of mass starvation. None of those things exist. Famine didn't exist in America during the Depression. This is not the same thing as to say "no one died of starvation". However, such deaths were rare and generally occurred in big cities where people were isolated and lived in anonymity.
This assertion that famine killed seven million Americans during the Great Depression is utter nonsense.
An article from Pravda? Really? Let's be nice and just say that the Russian government newspaper is not an acceptable source.
Those missing seven million people did not die of famine. Rather, they were the result of a declining birthrate during the years of the Great Depression. No surprise there. Birthrates decline during bad economic times and they increase during good economic times. One dramatic example of this was the huge increase in the birthrate that occurred following World War II during the Baby Boom Era.
If famine had occurred in America, you would be able find large burial pits where the victims were buried. You'd find many newspaper stories about this "famine" that occurred. Family members or descendants of those who survived would have anecdotes and tales about all of this. Family diaries would be full of stories of mass starvation. None of those things exist. Famine didn't exist in America during the Depression. This is not the same thing as to say "no one died of starvation". However, such deaths were rare and generally occurred in big cities where people were isolated and lived in anonymity.
This assertion that famine killed seven million Americans during the Great Depression is utter nonsense.
As for "utter nonsense" - you see, the researcher used the very same approach as US "historians" did for SU. All of a sudden you didn't like that
That's why I always was saying: no documents? Not happened then. And even with the documents, you'd be extremely careful to verify them: too many people have an incentive to lie, skew the facts or outright forge papers. "Fake news" were not born yesterday; they existed for centuries. Granted, they became totally shameless lately, but the core approach stayed the same.
I admit I don't think myself it was a real 7mln death toll of GD. Sure there were some, may be tens of thousands at most, but sure not 7mln claimed. This was just an illustration to show how it all looks when someone start claims obviously having an agenda or just blindly listening to propaganda.
Personally, I always try to be neutral on historic events. "History is written by winners", that's why it's important to understand the context of events, and look for the actual documents. It's very complicated, and it's much easier to put label here and there following exactly what propaganda tells you, but sane person should dig facts for himself. To take US (or any Western researcher for that matter) view on any SU events is about same way "rational" as taking SU views on US events. Both will be skewed to the extreme level.
In another words, you wouldn't trust what Bin Laden says about US, would you? Problem is, same applies to the opposite direction.
Too bad time travel doesn't exist, because you would have been a great recruit for the NKVD and been able to serve the glorious Stalin.
That is, until you may have been suspected of counterrevolutionary thought, or bourgeois ideas.
Hmmm, you are giving me hard choice: be in NKVD, or drop napalm onto Vietnamese civilians from US bomber. Everything is so tasty, can I have both?
How you call when Queen decides to suspend parliament, thus giving dictatorship freeway to BoJo? Is it still "symbolic"? By the way, "dictatorship" in this case is not a cursing, but qualification: by definition, "dictatorship" comes when there is no separation between legislative and executive branches, and that's exactly what BoJo got - from "symbolic" Queen.
You see, in UK Queen is not a "subject to" anything. Google "King cannot do wrong".
And on top of that - in UK the upper chamber of parliament body is aristocratic one. If you are not born in aristocracy, you'll never get there. Still think UK is "democracy" ?
Revolution, only revolution will help UK! Preferably color one - with snipers, riots etc. But traditional one is also acceptable.
Another option is US to bring democracy there - democratic bombing, "freedom fighters", and so on.
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