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I am reading The last days of hitler, written by an English historian who researched and wrote the book right after the war ended. It reinvigorated my interest in WW2, and I ended up watching many documentaries.
There seems to be a consensus among many people that Josef Stalin was a far worse person and a tyrant than Adolf Hitler. Do you agree?
Personally speaking, whilst Stalin was a sociopath who sacrificed his troops unnecessarily and even killed many of his own people, I don't see how he was worse than Hitler. If we use this hypothesis of killing millions of his own people then shoudnt China's Mao also be included?
Hitler "ruled" for barely 12 years and he did immense damage. Stalin ruled for much longer. I can't imagine if Hitler won the war and ruled for as long as Stalin did, what he'd have done, or how many millions more would have perished. Hitler was far worse imo.
depends on who you ask
communism and fascism shed so much blood in europe that its hardly believable if it was not s well documented
problem is today we all accept and acknowledge the crimes of fascists inc nazis but there is very little criticism of crimes of lenin, trotsky ,stalin NKVD.This gives ammo to the far right who use this to promote conspiracy theories about the liberals and leftists
we need to stay away from hollywood version of events and have a more nuanced balance view of inter-wars and ww2
depends on who you ask
communism and fascism shed so much blood in europe that its hardly believable if it was not s well documented
problem is today we all accept and acknowledge the crimes of fascists inc nazis but there is very little criticism of crimes of lenin, trotsky ,stalin NKVD.This gives ammo to the far right who use this to promote conspiracy theories about the liberals and leftists
we need to stay away from hollywood version of events and have a more nuanced balance view of inter-wars and ww2
Their crimes are well documented. They were ignored during WW2, in order to focus on the joint war effort. There was also a ton of anti-communist/capitalist propaganda promoted by both sides during the Cold War.
I am reading The last days of hitler, written by an English historian who researched and wrote the book right after the war ended. It reinvigorated my interest in WW2, and I ended up watching many documentaries.
There seems to be a consensus among many people that Josef Stalin was a far worse person and a tyrant than Adolf Hitler. Do you agree?
Personally speaking, whilst Stalin was a sociopath who sacrificed his troops unnecessarily and even killed many of his own people, I don't see how he was worse than Hitler. If we use this hypothesis of killing millions of his own people then shoudnt China's Mao also be included?
Hitler "ruled" for barely 12 years and he did immense damage. Stalin ruled for much longer. I can't imagine if Hitler won the war and ruled for as long as Stalin did, what he'd have done, or how many millions more would have perished. Hitler was far worse imo.
Evil is evil. There are perhaps degrees of evil, but all of those people were monsters who did horrible things to humanity.
I am too young to have lived during an age of Nazism, but I have been to Eastern Europe and seen the effects of Communism first-hand, and the poverty and lack of freedom were, in my view, unbearable.
I am reading The last days of hitler, written by an English historian who researched and wrote the book right after the war ended. It reinvigorated my interest in WW2, and I ended up watching many documentaries.
There seems to be a consensus among many people that Josef Stalin was a far worse person and a tyrant than Adolf Hitler. Do you agree?
Personally speaking, whilst Stalin was a sociopath who sacrificed his troops unnecessarily and even killed many of his own people, I don't see how he was worse than Hitler. If we use this hypothesis of killing millions of his own people then shoudnt China's Mao also be included?
Hitler "ruled" for barely 12 years and he did immense damage. Stalin ruled for much longer. I can't imagine if Hitler won the war and ruled for as long as Stalin did, what he'd have done, or how many millions more would have perished. Hitler was far worse imo.
The gulag archipeligo by Solzhenitzen explains it quite well.
Solzhenitzen was pro communism but fell afoul of the state when his letters fell into the wrong hands.
The gulag archipeligo by Solzhenitzen explains it quite well.
Solzhenitzen was pro communism but fell afoul of the state when his letters fell into the wrong hands.
Solzhenitsyn was a captain in the Soviet Army. He apparently was not fond of Stalin though and he communicated that to friends and family. He would write them letters which he knew were read and censored by the "political officer" in his unit. He would use a different name than Stalin when he criticized the leader of the USSR. Unfortunately, the political officer was able to figure it out. Solzhenitysn was arrested by secret police agents and removed from his unit. He was transported to Moscow and held in prison while he was interrogated. He does not recount torture during his interrogation. Rather, the agents made it clear that until he confessed, they would continue to interrogate him indefinitely and he would receive no credit against a prison sentence for this time. As a result, he signed a confession and was sent to the Gulag for approximately ten years.
This seems very harsh and I don't defend what was done to him. It is worth pointing out though that some actions which would be ignored in peacetime are not ignored in wartime. The USA sent men like Gene Debs to prison during World War I for printing leaflets that encouraged men to resist or avoid the draft and for asserting the war was simply a struggle between capitalist imperialist nations.
In the end, I wonder if America had any moral superiority over the Soviets when it came to this one limited issue.
depends on who you ask
communism and fascism shed so much blood in europe that its hardly believable if it was not s well documented
problem is today we all accept and acknowledge the crimes of fascists inc nazis but there is very little criticism of crimes of lenin, trotsky ,stalin NKVD.This gives ammo to the far right who use this to promote conspiracy theories about the liberals and leftists
we need to stay away from hollywood version of events and have a more nuanced balance view of inter-wars and ww2
Stalin and his goal - world wide socialism, created the most problems, Hitler was created by Stalin.
Stalin and his goal - world wide socialism, created the most problems, Hitler was created by Stalin.
Hitler was primarily created by bad economic conditions in Germany following World War I. I could add other factors as well:
1. A country that had little experience with democracy that didn't know how to use it to solve a crisis.
2. Anger over the humiliation of losing World War I.
3. An unjustified public perception that Germany had been "stabbed in the back" by its enemies.
4. The large monetary indemnity Germany was forced to pay to allied countries.
5. A nationalism that didn't exist in many other countries on the same level.
6. Latent antisemitism that was exploited by politicians like Hitler.
Fear of the communists was another factor as you mention. But it was a more complicated picture than that.
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