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Old 01-13-2020, 12:34 PM
 
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TRs speech on immigration was one of his best.He explained what the left wingers dont want to understand,
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Old 01-13-2020, 12:45 PM
 
Location: SoCal
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Churchill was also prime minister from 1951 till 1955.

I suggest reading Boris Johnson’s bio of Churchill for a enlightening study of the greatest man of the 20th Century
There’s a better book than the one from Boris Johnson, my husband almost bought Boris Johnson book, but there’s a more complete version. The author is Andrew Roberts.
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Old 01-13-2020, 01:14 PM
 
Location: SE Estonia
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If you had a choice to give one of them the authority to run your government who would you choose. Hypothetical question.
If now to answer the question, I'd pick T. Roosevelt - peace time, there was no war then.
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Old 01-13-2020, 03:22 PM
 
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Which Napoleon?
Most likely Napoleon I. I don't think he meant Napoleon III.
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Old 01-13-2020, 04:16 PM
 
Location: Buffalo, NY
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Most likely Napoleon I. I don't think he meant Napoleon III.
Napoleon IVX.
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Old 01-13-2020, 04:42 PM
 
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Well, we do know. While Churchill was turned out by a massive Labour win in 1945 (in the midst of conferring with FDR and Stalin at Potsdam, no less), the Tories - with Churchill still leading the party - returned in the 1951, despite narrowly losing the national vote to Attlee's Labour. He would then serve another four years as PM.

When separating out that second stint as distinct from his 1940-45 tenure, historians usually rank Churchill as a middling PM, well below the likes of Attlee and Thatcher but still well above Anthony Eden (who followed Churchill and presided over Suez). There was the failure to wrangle his cabinet into feeling his <b>Keep England White</b> campaign and there were more simmering conflicts as part of an attempt to hold onto much of the Empire as possible. Also, relations with the U.S. weren't bad, per se, but they were problematic and Churchill's initiatives were often fruitless. Though Churchill's focus was primarily on foreign relations, he had more success on the domestic front, with the continuing recovery from the economic ruin of the war. Bread and butter issues that aren't very exciting but are important nonetheless.

In terms of pure, universal leadership Teddy Roosevelt appears to be the correct choice. Napoleon and Churchill could perhaps best be described as having exceptional talents that applied to a more select niche of circumstances.
This, his handling of the Mau Mau rebellion and his decision to let over a million Indians die of hunger during WWII made me wonder where the implacable hatred of National Socialism was coming from.
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Old 01-13-2020, 04:52 PM
 
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Churchill.
I am not a fan of Teddy, who killed between 250,000 and 1,000,000 Filipinos in the Phillipine-American War. Needlessly.
Napoleon?!


Churchill, at his prime, had enough sense to know what needed to be done and just do it. He knew perfectly well that the "will of the people" usually destroys the people. That's more true today then when he presided.
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Old 01-13-2020, 05:44 PM
 
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TRs speech on immigration was one of his best.He explained what the left wingers dont want to understand,
You mean this one regarding hyphenated-Americans;

"There is no room in this country for hyphenated Americanism. When I refer to hyphenated Americans, I do not refer to naturalized Americans. Some of the very best Americans I have ever known were naturalized Americans, Americans born abroad. But a hyphenated American is not an American at all. This is just as true of the man who puts "native" before the hyphen as of the man who puts German or Irish or English or French before the hyphen. Americanism is a matter of the spirit and of the soul. Our allegiance must be purely to the United States. We must unsparingly condemn any man who holds any other allegiance. But if he is heartily and singly loyal to this Republic, then no matter where he was born, he is just as good an American as any one else.

The one absolutely certain way of bringing this nation to ruin, of preventing all possibility of its continuing to be a nation at all, would be to permit it to become a tangle of squabbling nationalities, an intricate knot of German-Americans, Irish-Americans, English-Americans, French-Americans, Scandinavian-Americans or Italian-Americans, each preserving its separate nationality, each at heart feeling more sympathy with Europeans of that nationality, than with the other citizens of the American Republic. The men who do not become Americans and nothing else are hyphenated Americans; and there ought to be no room for them in this country. The man who calls himself an American citizen and who yet shows by his actions that he is primarily the citizen of a foreign land, plays a thoroughly mischievous part in the life of our body politic. He has no place here; and the sooner he returns to the land to which he feels his real heart-allegiance, the better it will be for every good American. There is no such thing as a hyphenated American who is a good American. The only man who is a good American is the man who is an American and nothing else.

For an American citizen to vote as a German-American, an Irish-American, or an English-American, is to be a traitor to American institutions; and those hyphenated Americans who terrorize American politicians by threats of the foreign vote are engaged in treason to the American Republic.

Americanization

The foreign-born population of this country must be an Americanized population - no other kind can fight the battles of America either in war or peace. It must talk the language of its native-born fellow-citizens, it must possess American citizenship and American ideals. It must stand firm by its oath of allegiance in word and deed and must show that in very fact it has renounced allegiance to every prince, potentate, or foreign government. It must be maintained on an American standard of living so as to prevent labor disturbances in important plants and at critical times. None of these objects can be secured as long as we have immigrant colonies, ghettos, and immigrant sections, and above all they cannot be assured so long as we consider the immigrant only as an industrial asset. The immigrant must not be allowed to drift or to be put at the mercy of the exploiter. Our object is to not to imitate one of the older racial types, but to maintain a new American type and then to secure loyalty to this type. We cannot secure such loyalty unless we make this a country where men shall feel that they have justice and also where they shall feel that they are required to perform the duties imposed upon them. The policy of "Let alone" which we have hitherto pursued is thoroughly vicious from two stand-points. By this policy we have permitted the immigrants, and too often the native-born laborers as well, to suffer injustice. Moreover, by this policy we have failed to impress upon the immigrant and upon the native-born as well that they are expected to do justice as well as to receive justice, that they are expected to be heartily and actively and single-mindedly loyal to the flag no less than to benefit by living under it.

We cannot afford to continue to use hundreds of thousands of immigrants merely as industrial assets while they remain social outcasts and menaces any more than fifty years ago we could afford to keep the black man merely as an industrial asset and not as a human being. We cannot afford to build a big industrial plant and herd men and women about it without care for their welfare. We cannot afford to permit squalid overcrowding or the kind of living system which makes impossible the decencies and necessities of life. We cannot afford the low wage rates and the merely seasonal industries which mean the sacrifice of both individual and family life and morals to the industrial machinery. We cannot afford to leave American mines, munitions plants, and general resources in the hands of alien workmen, alien to America and even likely to be made hostile to America by machinations such as have recently been provided in the case of the two foreign embassies in Washington. We cannot afford to run the risk of having in time of war men working on our railways or working in our munition plants who would in the name of duty to their own foreign countries bring destruction to us. Recent events have shown us that incitements to sabotage and strikes are in the view of at least two of the great foreign powers of Europe within their definition of neutral practices. What would be done to us in the name of war if these things are done to us in the name of neutrality?

One America

All of us, no matter from what land our parents came, no matter in what way we may severally worship our Creator, must stand shoulder to shoulder in a united America for the elimination of race and religious prejudice. We must stand for a reign of equal justice to both big and small. We must insist on the maintenance of the American standard of living. We must stand for an adequate national control which shall secure a better training of our young men in time of peace, both for the work of peace and for the work of war. We must direct every national resource, material and spiritual, to the task not of shirking difficulties, but of training our people to overcome difficulties. Our aim must be, not to make life easy and soft, not to soften soul and body, but to fit us in virile fashion to do a great work for all mankind. This great work can only be done by a mighty democracy, with these qualities of soul, guided by those qualities of mind, which will both make it refuse to do injustice to any other nation, and also enable it to hold its own against aggression by any other nation. In our relations with the outside world, we must abhor wrongdoing, and disdain to commit it, and we must no less disdain the baseness of spirit which lamely submits to wrongdoing. Finally and most important of all, we must strive for the establishment within our own borders of that stern and lofty standard of personal and public neutrality which shall guarantee to each man his rights, and which shall insist in return upon the full performance by each man of his duties both to his neighbor and to the great nation whose flag must symbolize in the future as it has symbolized in the past the highest hopes of all mankind."




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Old 01-13-2020, 08:18 PM
 
Location: Somewhere on this 3rd rock from the sun
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Which Napoleon?
Napoleon Bonaparte of the nation of France(1769-1821). This one:

[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Napoleon[/url]
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Old 01-13-2020, 09:12 PM
 
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Churchill.
I am not a fan of Teddy, who killed between 250,000 and 1,000,000 Filipinos in the Phillipine-American War. Needlessly.
Napoleon?!


Churchill, at his prime, had enough sense to know what needed to be done and just do it. He knew perfectly well that the "will of the people" usually destroys the people. That's more true today then when he presided.
Churchill was at least half responsible for the death of more than a million Indians, and who knew how many died needlessly during the suppression of the Mau Mau and other rebellions in Africa because he couldn't let the idea of the Empire on which the Sun Never Sets die.
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