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Old 01-11-2020, 09:58 AM
 
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If you had a choice to give one of them the authority to run your government who would you choose. Hypothetical question.
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Old 01-11-2020, 10:11 AM
 
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I would have to pass. I don't care for any of them.
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Old 01-11-2020, 10:31 AM
 
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Default Between Churchill, Napoleon and T Roosevelt...

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If you had a choice to give one of them the authority to run your government who would you choose. Hypothetical question.
Without a question, the great "muckraker" (reformer) and conservationist Teddy Roosevelt. He is on Mount Rushmore largely because of his great conservation work but also did numerous other reforms.

Churchill was a great war time leader and very experienced in foreign policy but I have no idea what he is like on the domestic side.

Napoleon, do we really want a leader who wants to crown himself Emperor and annex half of Europe?
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Old 01-11-2020, 10:36 AM
 
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Without a question, the great "muckraker" (reformer) and conservationist Teddy Roosevelt. He is on Mount Rushmore largely because of his great conservation work but also did numerous other reforms.

Churchill was a great war time leader and very experienced in foreign policy but I have no idea what he is like on the domestic side.

Napoleon, do we really want a leader who wants to crown himself Emperor and annex half of Europe?
Well, I didn't want you to include what they personally did and their moral character. But more like their strength as leaders, their skills(military tactics, written work), their personality. I am reading on Churchill and turns out he was a fan of Napoleon. But would you consider he surpassed even Napoleon as an all round great personality? Fascinating question

https://winstonchurchill.org/publica...-and-napoleon/
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Old 01-11-2020, 11:12 AM
 
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We’ve already had a few Napoleons so I guess it’s a toss up between Churchill and Teddy.
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Old 01-12-2020, 02:40 PM
 
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Well Napoleon was a dictator of an authoritative police state that was continuously at war, ultimately causing the deaths of millions, so if that's the type of government and foreign policy you want, I guess he would be your man.

Churchill was a great wartime leader, but the British People didn't seem to want him during peacetime. So who knows how we would be as a peacetime leader.

Teddy (I guess there is a reason you skipped FDR) was a great president from what I know. An outsider to politics, a reformer, a conservationist, astute on foreign matters, huge on national defense. So my vote goes to him.
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Old 01-12-2020, 04:11 PM
 
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Well Napoleon was a dictator of an authoritative police state that was continuously at war, ultimately causing the deaths of millions, so if that's the type of government and foreign policy you want, I guess he would be your man.

Churchill was a great wartime leader, but the British People didn't seem to want him during peacetime. So who knows how we would be as a peacetime leader.

Teddy (I guess there is a reason you skipped FDR) was a great president from what I know. An outsider to politics, a reformer, a conservationist, astute on foreign matters, huge on national defense. So my vote goes to him.
Well, we do know. While Churchill was turned out by a massive Labour win in 1945 (in the midst of conferring with FDR and Stalin at Potsdam, no less), the Tories - with Churchill still leading the party - returned in the 1951, despite narrowly losing the national vote to Attlee's Labour. He would then serve another four years as PM.

When separating out that second stint as distinct from his 1940-45 tenure, historians usually rank Churchill as a middling PM, well below the likes of Attlee and Thatcher but still well above Anthony Eden (who followed Churchill and presided over Suez). There was the failure to wrangle his cabinet into feeling his Keep England White campaign and there were more simmering conflicts as part of an attempt to hold onto much of the Empire as possible. Also, relations with the U.S. weren't bad, per se, but they were problematic and Churchill's initiatives were often fruitless. Though Churchill's focus was primarily on foreign relations, he had more success on the domestic front, with the continuing recovery from the economic ruin of the war. Bread and butter issues that aren't very exciting but are important nonetheless.

In terms of pure, universal leadership Teddy Roosevelt appears to be the correct choice. Napoleon and Churchill could perhaps best be described as having exceptional talents that applied to a more select niche of circumstances.
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Old 01-12-2020, 04:29 PM
 
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I love Churchill but I have to go with a Teddy Roosevelt. And for Napoleon, while I don’t really like him, but I’m going to paint him a la a Jacques Louis David. This guy painted several paintings of Napoleon on a horse.
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Old 01-12-2020, 05:27 PM
 
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Teddy Roosevelt... no contest.
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Old 01-12-2020, 09:12 PM
 
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Well Napoleon was a dictator of an authoritative police state that was continuously at war, ultimately causing the deaths of millions, so if that's the type of government and foreign policy you want, I guess he would be your man.

Churchill was a great wartime leader, but the British People didn't seem to want him during peacetime. So who knows how we would be as a peacetime leader.

Teddy (I guess there is a reason you skipped FDR) was a great president from what I know. An outsider to politics, a reformer, a conservationist, astute on foreign matters, huge on national defense. So my vote goes to him.
Churchill was also prime minister from 1951 till 1955.

I suggest reading Boris Johnson’s bio of Churchill for a enlightening study of the greatest man of the 20th Century
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