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Old 01-20-2020, 09:58 AM
 
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Auschwitz - The Final Count

by Michael Collins Piper
Well that explains it, thanks for confirming my suspicion.

Wikipedia describes Piper as: "he had been criticized by many organizations, including the Anti-Defamation League, the Simon Wiesenthal Center, and the Middle East Media Research Institute, which have described Piper as a promoter of antisemitic conspiracy theories and a Holocaust denier."
Piper also claimed that Israel assassinated JFK.
His publisher identifies as a "white nationalist"
He was also a contributor to KKK leader David Duke's website.
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Old 01-20-2020, 10:29 AM
 
Location: Russia
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Well that explains it, thanks for confirming my suspicion.

Wikipedia describes Piper as: "he had been criticized by many organizations, including the Anti-Defamation League, the Simon Wiesenthal Center, and the Middle East Media Research Institute, which have described Piper as a promoter of antisemitic conspiracy theories and a Holocaust denier."
Piper also claimed that Israel assassinated JFK.
His publisher identifies as a "white nationalist"
He was also a contributor to KKK leader David Duke's website.
I don't know who he is, I came across this book a long time ago on the Internet. I try to use data from different sources. Although again the editor is the British historian Vivian Bird. I don't think a self-respecting historian would take on such a job if it were a complete lie.

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Old 01-20-2020, 11:41 AM
 
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We should have been taking in more Jewish refugees from the moment their oppression under Hitler became apparent. We should have been bombing the infrastructure around the camps in order to stop the transport of prisoners. Pretty apparent. No reason to bomb the actual camps themselves and kill the innocents being tortured and murdered there.
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Old 01-20-2020, 11:50 AM
 
Location: San Diego CA
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I do not deny anything. There was no doubt that the Jewish casualties were considerable. Just these numbers in the "6 million" for me questionable, because they surfaced from nowhere. About the victims of the USSR in the text of the verdict of the Nuremberg Tribunal of September 30, 1946:
- 15 million civilians killed;
- 10 million died on the fields of war.
- 275 thousand elderly and sick people were killed by poison.
– 7 million stolen into slavery.

I think if these figures of 6 million were true, they would certainly be reflected in the verdict. I don't want to argue about it. I just expressed my point of view and let everyone stay with their opinion.
Millions died and you want to argue how many millions. And then you deflect to non Jewish civilian casualties, battlefield deaths and slavery. Perhaps you have a hidden agenda.
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Old 01-20-2020, 01:22 PM
 
Location: WV and Eastport, ME
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One thing seems to be needed here. Let's keep in mind that this is the History forum. It is not the conspiracy theory forum, or any other nonsense forum. We're not going to hurt and insult people by posting Holocaust denial nonsense.
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Old 01-20-2020, 03:22 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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Should the Allies Have Bombed Auschwitz? PBS Show Engages in Counterfactual History
Yes, because we all know the inmates at Auschwitz had special magical shields that would have deflected the 320,000 pounds of explosive ordnance delivered by eight B-29 bombers flying in formation.

However, I would agree it would have been possible to destroy the rail lines. It would not have been necessary to actually destroy the rail lines at Auschwitz. It would have been hugely effective to interdict the rail lines at any point leading to Auschwitz.

Junction points would have been even more effective, since it would have disrupted rail service to any number of locations.
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Old 01-20-2020, 03:28 PM
 
Location: New Mexico
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Yes, because we all know the inmates at Auschwitz had special magical shields that would have deflected the 320,000 pounds of explosive ordnance delivered by eight B-29 bombers flying in formation.

US B-29s were not assigned to the ETO during WWII. The B-17s, other US bombers, & UK bombers were sufficient. (UK apparently did use some B-29s in Europe after WWII, as an interim while their newest heavy bomber went into production.)
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Old 01-20-2020, 03:33 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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Piper also claimed that Israel assassinated JFK.
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Unspoiled:

In the summer of 1997 I was invited to speak at a California
college seminar about my book, Final Judgment, which contends that
Israel's intelligence agency, the Mossad, played a front-line role in the
JFK assassination conspiracy alongside the CIA.
That would lead me to seriously question his work.

Neither Israel nor the Mossad had any interest in JFK and the CIA was in no way involved, although a handful of CIA employees acting on their own behalf without any authorization were involved.
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Old 01-20-2020, 03:54 PM
 
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US B-29s were not assigned to the ETO during WWII. The B-17s, other US bombers, & UK bombers were sufficient. (UK apparently did use some B-29s in Europe after WWII, as an interim while their newest heavy bomber went into production.)
I wonder of fighter escort range would be a factor as well. From England to Poland has to be about 2,000 mile round trip. B17s could do it but what about the fighters of that day? P38's maybe but how long would they be able to stay active in dogfights without having to break off. If that's the case it wouldn't have been practical until we liberated France or the low countries, maybe from liberated portions of Italy.

Allies engaged in un-escorted bombing missions of course, but would always be costly.
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Old 01-20-2020, 04:01 PM
 
Location: Elysium
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US B-29s were not assigned to the ETO during WWII. The B-17s, other US bombers, & UK bombers were sufficient. (UK apparently did use some B-29s in Europe after WWII, as an interim while their newest heavy bomber went into production.)
I guess it would take some war gaming to determine if some B-29 squadrons would have been needed to reach the targets in Poland. Would B-24s have to shuttle to the Soviet Union. And would the Soviets be happy about assets being utilized on a humanitarian and not a war fighting mission?
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