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Old 02-27-2020, 01:14 PM
 
Location: Florida and the Rockies
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Plus, hindsight is 20/20. Hitler obviously meant bad things for the Jews, but there were no gas chambers in 1940 or 1941. That all came later.
The gas chambers in at least some of the camps were operating by late 1941. And the gas vans were operational even earlier -- I believe by mid-1940 in occupied Poland. The largest amount of killings did happen however from 1942 until 1944.

The beginnings of the holocaust share some commonalities with the methods the Nazis used against the disabled. Google Schloss Hartheim for more information. Many of the death camp personnel came from those earlier institutional euthanasia centers.

I think the few reports that reached the western leaders (including some incidents of unbelievable bravery) were so outside the realm-of-possibility of the prewar mindset that Roosevelt and his advisors inhabited, that they probably thought the stories greatly embellished. Germany was widely considered a civilized country going through a strange political phase.
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Old 02-27-2020, 02:53 PM
 
Location: Elysium
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I don't know the geography around Auschwitz, but if there were any rail bridges in the vicinity, those would have been excellent targets. It takes longer to repair a bridge than it does a stretch of ground-level track.
I don't feel like doing the Google Fu but there is an infamous bridge in Vietnam that withstood more bombs from relatively accurate fighter bombers than any WWII heavy bomber group could carry. It finally took precision guided bombs to drop a span. If memory serves the NVA had a bypass up almost immediately
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Old 02-27-2020, 08:55 PM
 
Location: Elysium
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Here it is the many missions to drop the Tranh Hoa bridge

Tranh Hoa Bridge Wiki
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Old 02-28-2020, 08:19 AM
 
Location: Maine
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I don't know the geography around Auschwitz, but if there were any rail bridges in the vicinity, those would have been excellent targets. It takes longer to repair a bridge than it does a stretch of ground-level track.
Hiroshima is built on a river Delta, more bridges than you can shake a stick at, yet 3 days later they were running street cars.

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Old 02-28-2020, 04:43 PM
 
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The gas chambers in at least some of the camps were operating by late 1941. And the gas vans were operational even earlier -- I believe by mid-1940 in occupied Poland. The largest amount of killings did happen however from 1942 until 1944.

The beginnings of the holocaust share some commonalities with the methods the Nazis used against the disabled. Google Schloss Hartheim for more information. Many of the death camp personnel came from those earlier institutional euthanasia centers.

I think the few reports that reached the western leaders (including some incidents of unbelievable bravery) were so outside the realm-of-possibility of the prewar mindset that Roosevelt and his advisors inhabited, that they probably thought the stories greatly embellished. Germany was widely considered a civilized country going through a strange political phase.
People can have a lot of reasons for not wanting to believe something. I will share one reason that seems perfectly rational.

During World War I, the Germans marched through Belgium as part of their plan to attack France. The Germans met resistance in Belgium and many civilians suffered as a result. The British tried to use propaganda to enlist support for the Allied cause. Among other things, they claimed German soldiers had cut the arms off Belgian children. This did not happen. Eventually, this sort of thing was exposed as propaganda.

In any event, when the truth came out after the war, it made many people suspicious of reports of mistreatment by the enemy.

I suspect there may have been less willingness to believe the Jews were being systematically killed in Nazi occupied Europe years later. These reports were met by incredulity.
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