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Old Yesterday, 10:59 AM
 
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I recently read that Winston Churchill seriously wanted to invite Kaiser Wilhelm II to leave his exile in Doorn, Netherlands and live in England. (He was a cousin of the UK's King George). Seems incredible, since Wilhelm was continually personified during W.W.I as the absolute devil.
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Old Yesterday, 11:12 AM
 
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Leaving aside the issue of whether taking a man's daughter is honoring him, I'm pretty sure this was done for political propaganda. He was trying to create a hybrid ruling class to legitimize his conquest. He also forced his officers to take Persian brides.
Yeah that was a typical Machiavellian/self-serving type of maneuver by monarchs rather than an act of altruism. Marry your family to your enemies family to turn them into allies. Have a daughter? Send them off to marry into an enemies (or allies, to keep them allies) court.
It's a practice that existed in BC times up to the 19th century.
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Old Yesterday, 02:46 PM
 
Location: Parts Unknown, Northern California
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Fourteen years after the battle of Gallipoli, Turkey's president, Kemal Ataturk, received a letter from the mother of one of the fallen Anzacs, requesting permission to visit her son's grave. Ataturk wrote back:

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“Those heroes that shed their blood and lost their lives… you are now lying in the soil of a friendly country. Therefore rest in peace. There is no difference between the Johnnies and the Mehmets to us where they lie side by side here in this country of ours… You, the mothers who sent their sons from far away countries, wipe away your tears; your sons are now lying in our bosom and are in peace. After having lost their lives on this land they have become our sons as well.”
https://www.counterpunch.org/2018/10...ing-the-enemy/
Those words now appear on the Turkish memorial to the battle.
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Old Yesterday, 02:51 PM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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I just learned that during the Great Northern War, when Sweden's Charles XII died his archenemy Peter the Great of Russia ordered a week of mourning. Are there other, more recent instances of leaders making similar gestures to honor their enemy?
Yes.
The leaders of The Confederacy used to be honored. But then people discovered that those leaders may have been racist (go figure!) and destroyed most of the memoranda.
And now although we get to talk about "honoring one's enemy", it evidently no longer applies to those who have been forgiven.


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Old Yesterday, 06:26 PM
 
Location: San Diego CA
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How about the WWI English and German Christmas truce on the Western Front?
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Old Yesterday, 07:31 PM
 
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I was a bit surprised that something like this can happen at the Pacific Theater of WWII. Where did get get a Rising Sun flag anyway?

I seem to recall reading somewhere that during the Battle of Samar when one of the American destroyer escorts was sunk one of its crew noticed that the crew of the Japanese destroyer that fired on them was saluting them.
I read that also...…...supposedly a Japanese captain.
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Old Today, 09:50 AM
 
Location: Howard County, Maryland
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I was a bit surprised that something like this can happen at the Pacific Theater of WWII. Where did get get a Rising Sun flag anyway?

I seem to recall reading somewhere that during the Battle of Samar when one of the American destroyer escorts was sunk one of its crew noticed that the crew of the Japanese destroyer that fired on them was saluting them.
I recall reading that he had his crew make one, using a bedsheet and some red dye, I believe.

I also remember reading about the Japanese crew saluting the Americans in the water after their ship had sunk. I believe that some of the Japanese even tossed cans of food to them as they passed them in the water.
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