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Old Yesterday, 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by jbgusa View Post
Excellent points. And he welcomed Booker T. Washington to the White House. The problem with the statue is that it is allegedly "hierarchical." It should be; after all he was, at various times, NYC Police Chief, NYS Governor, Vice-President and President of the U.S. In what alternate reality is he not a first among equals?
You evidently haven't actually looked at the statue.

TR is worthy of much praise and respect. I'm not sure that's shown by putting him, mounted, armed and in uniform, at twice the height of the half-naked Indian and Negro on foot.

No hierarchy there.

Old Yesterday, 04:14 PM
Location: Pittsburgh
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Originally Posted by elliedeee View Post
I wonder what the plans are for Mount Rushmore..
Hopefully it's to give the Sioux back their sacred mountain and let them do as they please with it.

Originally Posted by Grlzrl View Post
Oh, because redlining still exists?
The effects of redlining certainly still exist.
Old Yesterday, 05:20 PM
Location: Mogadishu, MN
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Originally Posted by fleetiebelle View Post
Hopefully it's to give the Sioux back their sacred mountain and let them do as they please with it.

Kinda like Zimbabwe, eh?
Old Yesterday, 07:02 PM
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Originally Posted by LO28SWM View Post

I tend to agree that Robert E Lee doesnt need to watch over a traffic circle. And there doesnt need to be a auction block on a street corner (which was removed this week). But museums should be a safe way to teach and learn about painful parts of history. These 11 statues are in the Hall Of Statues in DC which could be considered a museum and you can 100% avoid coming in contact with them if what they represent is offensive.

It seems a dangerous precedent to set to hold historical figures to the morals and ethics we decide. Human rights establishment and the abolishment of slavery were the correct moral choice but these men lived in the world that had not established this as the moral majority and its dangerous to start reevaluating every name on a building and a street and statue to determine who does or does not adhere to our current moral standings. By removing all trace of someone who does not meet the standard you erase all historical significance that person represented. And none of the people who are being attacked were immortalized simply for being racist. They contributed something people considered historically significant, even if that was military prowess on the losing side.

History is written by the victors. But in the US, there is a lot of history also written by the losers. History becomes very one sided and incomplete when only the winning side gets to contribute to the conversation. By destroying the history the losers contributed you lose half of a very short history. We are very young in the world and we are already trying to eliminate the bad things weve done because they hurt us to be reminded of them, but reminded is what we need to be. If you look closely enough everyone does something or participated in something that is now considered morally reprehensible. and Im very concerned that slowly we are going to erode what has historically birthed our country in favor of only things that are easy to digest.
Pathetic, and just a few weeks have exposed how much so.

Old Yesterday, 09:24 PM
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I like the idea. In fact, it sounded like so much fun, I already knocked down three Martin Luther Kings, a Rosa Parks, a Frederick Douglas, a Harold Washington, and two Barack Obamas.

Wait, you mean I did something wrong?
Old Today, 04:04 AM
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How about we get law enforcement out there with rubber bullets or chemicals to disburse the vandals?
Old Today, 06:06 AM
Location: WV and Eastport, ME
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This thread is closed for many reasons.

At least 3 members decided it was a good idea to drop "F-Bombs" in the History forum.

Several posts were deleted because current politicians were mentioned.

It seems very little effort was made to keep the discussion focused on HISTORY. It was being treated as just another place to discuss the statues, just like all the threads in Current Events or P&OC.
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