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Old 06-11-2020, 06:38 PM
 
Location: Tucson, AZ
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I'm just curious... about 20 years ago I seem to remember conservatives cheering our nudging of Iraqi civilians to tear down the statue of Hussein in Baghdad. Typically, whatever regimes that lose wars also lose their statues. It's MORE weird that these statues didn't just remain but were constructed after the Civil War. Why is this any different for the right wing factions in this country?

 
Old 06-11-2020, 07:34 PM
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I'm just curious... about 20 years ago I seem to remember conservatives cheering our nudging of Iraqi civilians to tear down the statue of Hussein in Baghdad. Typically, whatever regimes that lose wars also lose their statues. It's MORE weird that these statues didn't just remain but were constructed after the Civil War. Why is this any different for the right wing factions in this country?
Out of respect for our opponent who is family. Families argue they fight, they become one again.
 
Old 06-11-2020, 07:40 PM
 
Location: Buffalo, NY
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I read that Houston is moving its "Spirit of Confederacy" statue from a public park to the Houston Museum of African American Culture. Side note, but this is one of the creepiest public statues I have ever seen, right up there with the "Ugly Lucy.".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spirit...uston_Park.JPG
 
Old 06-11-2020, 07:57 PM
 
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Nope. Most of those statues were put up in the 20s with the goal to intimidate the black population. I had a top-notch education - a top private school on the east coast and an Ivy League college, plus I've always been interested in history. Statues have not really played a big part in that education. The Confederate statues do not convey significant information or represent any particularly great works of art. They were political propaganda.

Germany doesn't have any statues of Hitler, yet we're all perfectly aware of his significance.

These statues have no place in a public setting, though an argument could be made for them to be donated to African American-focused museums to be used as they see fit.
 
Old 06-11-2020, 08:16 PM
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These statues, such as Lee, would serve well in Battlefield museums all over the US. Gettysburg, Antietam, etc. That would certainly feel appropriate and within the proper context.

Take them out of the public square and put them where they belong- the battlefields that they fought.
 
Old 06-11-2020, 08:33 PM
 
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I'm not as much concerned about the actual removal as the mindset driving the removal. We've gone into a mod mindset where so called leaders are taking actions to both appease and encourage the mob for their own political gain. We're erasing not only important history, but also trampling fundamental beliefs in our rush to do it. Our forefathers fought against tyranny yet here we are today running full tilt toward tyranny. The tyranny of one sided beliefs. They tyranny of shouting down those we disagree with. The tyranny of mob rule.

It's sad to think that a line from Star Wars was so prophetic:

This is how liberty dies. To thunderous applause.
 
Old 06-11-2020, 08:34 PM
 
Location: East of the Sun, West of the Moon
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When I first heard about the defacing and destruction of statues of Confederate war heroes several years ago, while I find the values of the Confederacy repulsive, I do respect the importance of historical provenance and was at the very least, a bit dismayed.

Then I learned that most of these statues were erected during the Jim Crow era and right up until the mid 1960s Civil Rights era as a middle finger to the North, a reminder to Southern Whites of the glory days when white trash could own another human being, and to make sure that Black people in Southern cities did not forget whose cities they were living in.


It is akin to putting a statue of Goebbels in the middle of 1990s Berlin.
 
Old 06-11-2020, 09:11 PM
 
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Because MLK committed adultery his immoral behavior is offensive AND HIS STATUTES NEED TO GO TOO..........
 
Old 06-11-2020, 10:11 PM
 
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Let’s just say that I’m not a fan of it. Didn’t like it, when it happened in Europe either. It’s not even an issue of what the monument symbolises, but more cultural destruction. Statues, even those coming from controversial figures, are the legacy of a country’s past.

To take this conversation further, a lot of buildings have been razed throughout history when a conquering nation or different political party took over. That to may, is akin to erasing the past.
 
Old 06-11-2020, 10:48 PM
 
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I guess we going to have to demolish Roman Coliseum, Hagia Sophia, Parthenon, Tower of London, Forbidden City, Mecca, Teotihuacan etc etc

All those things are associated with some bad activities.
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