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Old 06-29-2020, 12:29 AM
 
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You are not answering the question. You are answering the answer.

It is like if someone would ask "why the apple is green" you would say, "because it is green"
How so? I’ve explained that China wishes to enforce the One China policy in order to show strength. They’ve got their claim over the island that they wish others to adhere to.
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Old 06-29-2020, 02:24 AM
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Again I'm very much uninformed about Taiwan but on another note asking this on a largely pro-american, anti-chinese english speaking forum surely won't give you nuanced opinions? Try on some say Italian, Russian, Greek etc speaking to get a better idea.
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Old 06-29-2020, 07:09 AM
 
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As was mentioned, Taiwan was controlled by Japan from 1895 to 1945. Before that indeed it was ruled over by the Chinese Quing Dynasty. After japan surrendered it was handed back over to China (then controlled by ROC but also engaged in a civil war with communist forces who suddenly came out of the woodwork after WWII ended). Hence China claims it.

That could have possibly been avoided by not handing it over to China in 1945, making it an allied administrated province like some of the oceanic states are, preparing it for it's own independence and self governance. In that case the allies could have simply handed it over to ROC in 1949.
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Old 06-29-2020, 09:54 AM
 
Location: NYC
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Again I'm very much uninformed about Taiwan but on another note asking this on a largely pro-american, anti-chinese english speaking forum surely won't give you nuanced opinions? Try on some say Italian, Russian, Greek etc speaking to get a better idea.
Since you're uninformed of China's regional issues. Let's talk about a country you're familiar with. Besides China who only deals with Asia mostly.

What country has a military base at every continent. Has given money and weapons to known terrorists organizations. Has carried out international arrest without any warrants or permissions. And has launched multiple invasions on foreign countries without any proof of provocations. That is the country you live in.

No other country around the world has invaded another foreign country in this new century as much as the US has done. Russia invaded Ukraine not long ago but Ukraine used to be a former USSR territory. We have invaded multiple middle eastern country without any proof they attacked us. And we like to blame China for their regional conflicts but I think it's all another scam to blame another country to hide our own atrocities.

Why do so many countries hate America? Well, go ask the innocent families that were killed by our bombings and invasion. Maybe it's time the people question what are we doing to other countries and why are we the bully and yet blame other countries without any proof that they're worst than we are.
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Old 06-29-2020, 09:59 AM
 
Location: The High Desert
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Nothing very "childish" about it as far as the principal players are concerned. Maybe the US was the child in the room for many years. But now, especially with the example of the crackdown in Hong Kong, the situation is possibly more volitile. Taiwan is successful as a separate entity from China maybe they can reach a permanent divorce at some point if it is lucrative for China to do so and Taiwan drops the charade of being the ROC.

If Puerto Rico set itself up as the legitimate government of the US and gained a powerful military, allies willing to support the claim, and became an economic powerhouse in the process we might not behave in a very friendly manner either.
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Old 06-29-2020, 10:52 AM
 
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What country has a military base at every continent. Has given money and weapons to known terrorists organizations. Has carried out international arrest without any warrants or permissions. And has launched multiple invasions on foreign countries without any proof of provocations. That is the country you live in.

No other country around the world has invaded another foreign country in this new century as much as the US has done. Russia invaded Ukraine not long ago but Ukraine used to be a former USSR territory. We have invaded multiple middle eastern country without any proof they attacked us. And we like to blame China for their regional conflicts but I think it's all another scam to blame another country to hide our own atrocities.

Why do so many countries hate America? Well, go ask the innocent families that were killed by our bombings and invasion. Maybe it's time the people question what are we doing to other countries and why are we the bully and yet blame other countries without any proof that they're worst than we are.
Here we go again....the topic is Taiwan and China, not the U.S.
Go tear down a statue, you will feel better...
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Old 06-29-2020, 11:19 AM
 
Location: Hillsboro Beach
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Seriously, they act like a woman constantly going through a permanent case of the worst PMS ever over it. Just some small tiny island. Why do they continue to waste time being so damn obstinate about it? Why do they care so damn much?
Don't you understand yet that's the way Communist authoritarian and absolutist control of power regimes are? Keep thinking that socialism/Marxist/communism is ok for America.
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Old 06-29-2020, 06:54 PM
 
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Since you're uninformed of China's regional issues. Let's talk about a country you're familiar with. Besides China who only deals with Asia mostly.

What country has a military base at every continent. Has given money and weapons to known terrorists organizations. Has carried out international arrest without any warrants or permissions. And has launched multiple invasions on foreign countries without any proof of provocations. That is the country you live in.

No other country around the world has invaded another foreign country in this new century as much as the US has done. Russia invaded Ukraine not long ago but Ukraine used to be a former USSR territory. We have invaded multiple middle eastern country without any proof they attacked us. And we like to blame China for their regional conflicts but I think it's all another scam to blame another country to hide our own atrocities.

Why do so many countries hate America? Well, go ask the innocent families that were killed by our bombings and invasion. Maybe it's time the people question what are we doing to other countries and why are we the bully and yet blame other countries without any proof that they're worst than we are.
He's from Bulgaria
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Old 06-29-2020, 07:42 PM
 
Location: State of Transition
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It’s a twofold thing.

1) Getting China unified under a single banner.

2) Enforcing their authority. If they let the Taiwan issue slide, they feel that their global position gets undermined.
Aww, boo hoo! Sounds like a good idea, to me. The world needs a free Taiwan, in order to keep monolithic China slightly off-balance. Look at what they're doing to India; chipping away at its land base, little by little. China doesn't need any stronger of a global position than it already has.
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Old 06-29-2020, 09:02 PM
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Location: Thousand Oaks, CA
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Because Americans doesn't get it. Taiwan is like an open wound to them. If they don't take control of it, many Chinese would love to move there instead of being on Mainland. It's got better living standards than China, it's got open elections, and more freedom of speech and you can practice religion there safely. Taiwan has better food and it's the home of the bubble tea.
This is actually it. China is an authoritarian state who's legitimacy lies in the illusion that they present the best way for Chinese people to live. And its a lie as anyone who's been to Taiwan knows. But the propaganda cannot and will not disappear. China cannot retake Taiwan and they cannot hide its success from its own people... so they remain hopping mad. Their main defense is the Moscow tactic: claim its success is subsidized by the USA.
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