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Old 06-29-2020, 09:49 AM
 
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It seems that unlike British colonies, Spain's former colonies have been left in cultural and economic shambles.

Has Spain had any positive impact at all in its colonies?
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Old 06-29-2020, 10:03 AM
 
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Spain had a different approach to "colonization" than UK and other countries, particularly in the Americas. They really didn't focus on development or colonization at all, but exploitation - basically stripping the New World of everything of value.
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Old 06-29-2020, 02:53 PM
 
Location: The Triad (NC)
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It seems that unlike British colonies,
Spain's former colonies have been left in cultural and economic shambles.
Most of that is about how property rights in Colonies were handled differently within British law.
It's why we had a Declaration of our Independence on Parchment written in a Calligraphy..
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Has Spain had any positive impact at all in its colonies?
I'm sure there's a long list.
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Old 06-29-2020, 03:20 PM
 
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Has Spain had any positive impact at all in its colonies?
I can think of one - somehow the mix of Iberian, Native American, and African blood in the proper ratio over the centuries has given Brazilian women the unique trait of genetically perfect asses.
Well that's Portuguese colony, but close enough.
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Old 06-29-2020, 04:06 PM
 
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It seems that unlike British colonies, Spain's former colonies have been left in cultural and economic shambles.

Has Spain had any positive impact at all in its colonies?
They're a little better than the Belgians but lags behind all other colonial powers in terms leaving good institutions behind. Not surprising since Spain itself lagged behind the rest of Europe for hundreds of years.
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Old 06-29-2020, 06:09 PM
 
Location: The High Desert
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English Common Law traveled with the English colonists. That begat registered and recognized land ownership, and that leads to leveraging your valued assets for business expansion -- AKA Capitalism.

The Spanish colonies did not have that tradition and much of the land possession was not documented or licensed (that is still a problem in places). The king owned the resources and took a share of everything of value. The first University in the Americas was/is in Lima, Peru. The Spanish introduced irrigation systems and improved farming in some places. They introduced livestock. The ubiquitous horno or clay oven you see in the southwest was Spanish. The Navajo got sheep from the Spanish. They did a lot but there was a gaping hole in the model. The general focus was different and the wealthy families (allied with the church hierarchy, at times) kept things from progressing...they had a good thing going. After the end of the Napoleon Era, when the Spanish monarchy tried to reinstate control and rein in the rights and power of the wealthy families (in relation to the peasants and Indians), they declared independence and eventually won their several revolutions. Some version of that pattern remains at various times and places in Latin America.
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Old 06-29-2020, 06:35 PM
 
Location: San Diego CA
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Well they gave our city a name. Everything else is up for debate.
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Old 06-29-2020, 06:47 PM
 
Location: East of the Sun, West of the Moon
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While I agree with the assertion that Spain's colonial strategy did not set up their colonies for success (not that Britain's slavery economies were much better considering the strife in the US right now), I wouldn't write off Latin America completely.

There are some really great cultural assets throughout Central and South America, and Mexico in music, art, cuisine, literature and language, etc. Much of it as a result of the inter-cultural blend, but also in terms of the independant development of the few indigenous and Spanish cultural institutions which have survived the centuries.

Some states have done better for themselves than others, but there is value throughout the region and it is a shame that so many areas are unstable.
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Old 06-29-2020, 06:57 PM
 
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I view Spain's spread of Christianity to be a net positive.. but I understand that's subjective.
English mixed less, so their colonies essentially remained Anglo civilization. Spaniards left behind a Mestizo civilization. Those opposing approaches distinguished their respective fates..
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Old 06-29-2020, 07:20 PM
 
Location: León, Kingdom of Spain, EU
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Spain never had colonies.

We Spaniards are children of Rome unlike you, the anglos. And like Rome we only see empires. All the Spanish possessions in America had the same legality as the peninsula. A subject of the king of Spain in Lima was the same as a subject of the king in Seville. While the Anglos only see colonies with which to trade, Spain as heir to Rome does not colonize, but rather brings civilization to the barbarian territories. We build cathedrals, cities, universities, palaces, bridges and ports. India was British for several centuries. Of that only 2 or 3 Victorian buildings remain. The Spanish presence in America is in the language, the buildings, the surnames, the religion, the food and especially in the blood. A Spanish is not racist. That is why we mix with the indigenous people unlike the English tavern keepers and pirates who took their women on the ships. The Spanish were single, hoping to start a new life.

Half of your country was ours.

The last time that a foreign people or army occupied the entirety of my country was 15 centuries ago, the Visigoths.


Neither Arabs or Napoleon fully occupied Spain. The Russia of the south west

The romans occupied Gallia in few years. The romans needs 200 years to occupied all the Iberian peninsula.


We were the most prosperous imperial province of Rome to which we gave 2 of its best emperors.
We stop Islam and reconquer our country.

In my city, León, capital of his own kingdom, there were two unique event, the ascent to the throne of Urraca I, the first woman to reign in her own right. he inherited the kingdom when his father died in a Europe where a woman did not inherit even the bed where she slept.

And in 1188 we had the first legislative assembly with the people in the San Isidoro basilica, 200 meters from my house.
King Alfonso IX, in addition to nobility and bishops, decided that the representatives of the cities, merchants and artisans should come to discuss the affairs of the kingdom. Out of that assembly advanced laws emerged for the time, such as the inviolability of the home.

My country has conquered a continent in 50 years with just a few thousand men

The first human rights laws with the Burgos laws where they said that all the people including the indigenous people were sons of God.

We made the first round the world . The first global empire

What do we contribute? With words that that pirate and innkeeper people called the English doesn't know

Dignity

Honor

We are a civilization makers people... others ... pirates


As Don Blas de Lezo said, distinguished captain of the Spanish army that defeated Great Britain at the siege of Cartagena de Indias

"A good spanish must always **** looking at england"




At the end of the 18th century it was said that in the city of Mexico there were as many carriages as in Paris. It was prosperous and rich. full of palaces. We Spaniards are not to blame for betraying their empire and their king and founding all those unstable and decadent republics.


The United States could NEVER go out into the Pacific facing the Spanish empire. an empire from Buenos Aires to Canada. From Naples to the Philippines.

A fact that you do not know. most of the realistic armies that defended Spain in the independence forces were made up of indigenous, black and mestizo people who knew that the Empire was the way to be protected from the creole elites that formed the independence groups and that they saw in their republics a way to control and steal now without the tutelage of Madrid.

The cojones that we Spaniards have that after 10 years of wars against the French who left the country exhausted, we still fight as always, with honor and gallantry in America, making the wars of independence last more than 10 years. despite the fact that poor, destroyed, distant and small Spain had to fight on a continent 20 times larger and on several fronts.

What a great people we are especially angry. there is not enough land to run away from us

What egocentric comment


No. I'm not egocentric. Only a spanish.


Plus ultra

Go beyond

This is our motto

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