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As this is the History forum, it's significant to consider how folks learned history following the American Civil War. Has the UDC been mentioned here? How they were instrumental?
The controversy to what was written and published by the NYT, as well as, teaching it in schools. I haven't read the whole project presentation, but I don't think they mention the UDC.
The controversy to what was written and published by the NYT, as well as, teaching it in schools. I haven't read the whole project presentation, but I don't think they mention the UDC.
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I meant here in this thread.
Oh --- I don't think any one has brought up the UDC. It's more of a what's right or wrong with the 1619 Project and the authors take on u.s. history in the founding of this country. And should it be taught in our schools, as part of the u.s. history curriculum for classroom discussion?
I watched another video after I posted that one, that they discussed the possibility that the NYT, is trying to be the new moral compass for the u.s. citizen; taking out the u.s. Constitution and other founding documents.
So --- how accurate is the 1619 project? Is the op.
Oh --- I don't think any one has brought up the UDC. It's more of a what's right or wrong with the 1619 Project and the authors take on u.s. history in the founding of this country. And should it be taught in our schools, as part of the u.s. history curriculum for classroom discussion?
I watched another video after I posted that one, that they discussed the possibility that the NYT, is trying to be the new moral compass for the u.s. citizen; taking out the u.s. Constitution and other founding documents.
So --- how accurate is the 1619 project? Is the op.
This is the history forum.
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Oh --- I don't think any one has brought up the UDC. It's more of a what's right or wrong with the 1619 Project and the authors take on u.s. history in the founding of this country. And should it be taught in our schools, as part of the u.s. history curriculum for classroom discussion?
I watched another video after I posted that one, that they discussed the possibility that the NYT, is trying to be the new moral compass for the u.s. citizen; taking out the u.s. Constitution and other founding documents.
So --- how accurate is the 1619 project? Is the op.
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Originally Posted by ChiGeekGuest
This is the history forum.
A measuring rod to test text books, and reference books in schools, colleges and libraries
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I don't know.
PS: people question what they've been told all the time concerning historical facts; not sure accuracy is relevant.
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If accuracy is not relevant, why is the accuracy of the 1619 Project being questioned?
It is accurate from a pov imo --- facts come into question when they write that America was founded when the first slave arrived in 1619 --- people were here before that year, sometime in the 1500's. The first American born goes to Virginia Dare born in 1587 --- there were no African slaves here accept for the indentured servant, sentenced by the courts of England for a time in servitude or debt slaves that sold their way into bondage for the trip to the new land.
"This first American Assembly set the precedent of beginning legislation with prayer. It is evident that Virginia was then as thoroughly a Church of England colony, as Connecticut afterwards was a Calvinistic one. The inauguration of legislative power in the Ancient Dominion preceded the existence of negro slavery which we will believe it is destined also to survive." George Bancroft. New York, October 3, 1856
So why pick the year 1619? And when they teach history in the schools, 1776? We have an American born in 1587, how does that work?
It is accurate from a pov imo --- facts come into question when they write that America was founded when the first slave arrived in 1619 --- people were here before that year, sometime in the 1500's. The first American born goes to Virginia Dare born in 1587 --- there were no African slaves here accept for the indentured servant, sentenced by the courts of England for a time in servitude or debt slaves that sold their way into bondage for the trip to the new land.
"This first American Assembly set the precedent of beginning legislation with prayer. It is evident that Virginia was then as thoroughly a Church of England colony, as Connecticut afterwards was a Calvinistic one. The inauguration of legislative power in the Ancient Dominion preceded the existence of negro slavery which we will believe it is destined also to survive." George Bancroft. New York, October 3, 1856
So why pick the year 1619? And when they teach history in the schools, 1776? We have an American born in 1587, how does that work?
Critical to any history course is understanding that history is not just a body of facts, or a fixed set of information, it’s always changing, as new information is revealed, & is always being debated.
Unfortunately, as W.E.B. Du Bois wrote in Black Reconstruction:
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“We have too often a deliberate attempt so to change the facts of history that the story will make pleasant reading for Americans”.
One example of this deliberate attempt to change the uncomfortable facts is the Lost Cause mythologies regarding the American Civil War.
Another example is the Dunning School viewpoint regarding the Reconstruction period of American history:
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Historian Eric Foner, a leading specialist, said:
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The traditional or Dunning School of Reconstruction was not just an interpretation of history. It was part of the edifice of the Jim Crow System. It was an explanation for and justification of taking the right to vote away from black people on the grounds that they completely abused it during Reconstruction.
It was a justification for the white South resisting outside efforts in changing race relations because of the worry of having another Reconstruction. All of the alleged horrors of Reconstruction helped to freeze the minds of the white South in resistance to any change whatsoever.
And it was only after the Civil Rights revolution swept away the racist underpinnings of that old view—i.e., that black people are incapable of taking part in American democracy—that you could get a new view of Reconstruction widely accepted. For a long time it was an intellectual straitjacket for much of the white South, and historians have a lot to answer for in helping to propagate a racist system in this country.[2]
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