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This fact just demonstrates how young our country still is. Two hundred and forty five years is really not that much time from a historical point of view. Americans alive today have grandparents who fought in the civil war or can make relatively close connections to founding fathers or figures from our early history. It seems a long time ago but then you compare our history to that of Britain and see 2000 years of solid recorded history or to Egypt and it goes deep into ancient human history. America is still in its youth compared to the more mature nations of the world.
And the important point here is that the American nation has endured and prospered, and the numbers and diversity of those who participated has increased regularly throughout all the Sturm und Drang, (and occasional, but more-than-a-little bloodshed) generated during those nearly-250 years.
This fact just demonstrates how young our country still is. Two hundred and forty five years is really not that much time from a historical point of view. Americans alive today have grandparents who fought in the civil war or can make relatively close connections to founding fathers or figures from our early history. It seems a long time ago but then you compare our history to that of Britain and see 2000 years of solid recorded history or to Egypt and it goes deep into ancient human history. America is still in its youth compared to the more mature nations of the world.
It really doesn't make much sense to compare the United States with a beginning date of 1776 to 'Britain'. There were people and political entities here in North America before 1776, and there were tribes and even some proto-states in pre-Columbian times. Britain was until the fifth century a part of a bigger whole - the Roman Empire - in the same way that North America was for some time before the war of independence. And the level of political structure for a few centuries following the collapse of the empire was pretty rudimentary everywhere in Britain. 1776 for the United States is as arbitrary as 1707 (or the Norman invasion, or the arrival of the Anglos/Saxons/Frisians/Jutes) for the Britain.
In the case of Egypt, the connections between even the New Dynasty and the present are extremely slim. The monuments remain, but culture and ethnicity and language have changed over completely several times since then.
It really doesn't make much sense to compare the United States with a beginning date of 1776 to 'Britain'. There were people and political entities here in North America before 1776, and there were tribes and even some proto-states in pre-Columbian times. Britain was until the fifth century a part of a bigger whole - the Roman Empire - in the same way that North America was for some time before the war of independence. And the level of political structure for a few centuries following the collapse of the empire was pretty rudimentary everywhere in Britain. 1776 for the United States is as arbitrary as 1707 (or the Norman invasion, or the arrival of the Anglos/Saxons/Frisians/Jutes) for the Britain.
In the case of Egypt, the connections between even the New Dynasty and the present are extremely slim. The monuments remain, but culture and ethnicity and language have changed over completely several times since then.
As a political entity it makes sense.
But then I must ask, what was happening before the the colonies formed? What great civilization existed?
But then I must ask, what was happening before the the colonies formed? What great civilization existed?
Who said anything about a pre-Columbian 'great civilization'? No one.
There needn't be one. The comparison is between roughly what is now the United States and roughly what is now the United Kingdom - or at least the island of Great Britain. What 'great civilization' existed from the early 5th century in Britain (when Rome wrote off the province) and the Norman invasion six and a half centuries later? None. For most of that time you had numerous ephemeral kingdoms which came and went. Even after Alfred united the English, the Celts to the southwest, the west, and the north were still independent, and the kingdom was weak enough that the Danes were able to repeatedly run roughshod over it.
Even after that, the term 'great civilization' really wouldn't apply to England until the latter 16th century and the reign of Elizabeth.
Who said anything about a pre-Columbian 'great civilization'? No one.
There needn't be one. The comparison is between roughly what is now the United States and roughly what is now the United Kingdom - or at least the island of Great Britain. What 'great civilization' existed from the early 5th century in Britain (when Rome wrote off the province) and the Norman invasion six and a half centuries later? None. For most of that time you had numerous ephemeral kingdoms which came and went. Even after Alfred united the English, the Celts to the southwest, the west, and the north were still independent, and the kingdom was weak enough that the Danes were able to repeatedly run roughshod over it.
Even after that, the term 'great civilization' really wouldn't apply to England until the latter 16th century and the reign of Elizabeth.
The Britons lived in the area during Roman rule. They were then pushed to Wales, but the point being there was a civilization with identifiable landmarks and history for a long while.
Not the same with North America. There was a city in and around St. Louis around the second century, but that was quickly abandoned (edit: and either way, that was in the west, not the east).
A lot existed in Great Britain that made England what it is today. There was Brutus (from troy), there were the Romans, the Britons, and later the Saxons and the Normans and each helped form modern Britain.
The Trojans brought with them ideals, the Romans, the Saxons, the Frisians, and the Normans (court culture), and all the rest. British culture today is because of all of them.
It is not one or the other, it was/is an evolving society that took from many influences over thousands of years to make it what it is today. American society is not the same.
Does post #1 have anything to do with your #14 and #17? Are you just randomly writing things, hoping that a meaningful discussion will somehow rise out of the chaos like a Phoenix? Or is this just a non sequitur intro into another America hating rant?
The amount of lies taught about Tubman in our schools is probably second only to what's taught about "native" Americans.
She rescued around 60 people, family and close friends only. Carried a pistol for protection and also to threaten those she was helping to free incase they freaked out and might expose the whole group.
She did so much more though, and it's usually ignored. Her whole life after slavery was pretty amazing.
Does post #1 have anything to do with your #14 and #17? Are you just randomly writing things, hoping that a meaningful discussion will somehow rise out of the chaos like a Phoenix? Or is this just a non sequitur intro into another America hating rant?
If we'd all just give our money away and start a vegetable garden we could finally make that poster happy.
As long as they get our money AND we do the work growing the garden and feed them for free from it.
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