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Old 03-30-2022, 11:58 AM
 
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Obviously, when we were growing up decades ago, and taught about this in school, we all bought in to the Warren Commission whitewash and that was that. We had solid faith in our government and it was unthinkable that they could do something like this. We were naive.

Nobody questioned the idea that Dulles, a guy Kennedy had fired, was put on the Commission. That is outrageous. There is also the Bush family connection to a CIA affiliated person who befriended Oswald out of the blue, even though they have zero in common, not to mention decades apart in age. The shooting itself. The aftermath. Oswald himself, who I don’t even believe capable of pulling this off. He was an uneducated, ill tempered, simpleton.

I could go on and on with all the inconsistencies that we all just accepted as fact.

But it’s now 2021 and we are fully aware with eyes wide open. We know firsthand what our government is capable of. It’s not unthinkable anymore.

So my main questions:

What theory makes most sense?

What events, no matter how small or tertiary, give you the most problems when you try to take the Warren report at face value?

Lastly, if there is anyone out there who actually believes the narrative that Oswald acted alone and killed JFK, why do you still believe it?


In my experience, those who dismiss or denigrate the Warren Commission have invariably never read the Warren Commission reports.
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Old 04-01-2022, 08:41 AM
 
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In my experience, those who dismiss or denigrate the Warren Commission have invariably never read the Warren Commission reports.
Would reading and accepting what it says be sufficient to prove it is all correct? I think not. No more so than any legal historical document.

These all have to be considered in context of the times and the actors. The winner's version of history, you know.

https://www.history.com/news/9-thing...ren-commission
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Old 04-02-2022, 04:38 PM
 
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the point of the warren commission was to provide closure, which it did...international politics is not the same as dealing with a schoolyard bully, despite the fact that a large percentage of our citizens prefer loud mouthed bullies


the us navy was actively fighting Germany in the Atlantic for many months before ww2 was declared


people have to be protected from their own emotions at times history shows
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Old 04-02-2022, 06:18 PM
 
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Would reading and accepting what it says be sufficient to prove it is all correct? I think not. No more so than any legal historical document.

These all have to be considered in context of the times and the actors. The winner's version of history, you know.

https://www.history.com/news/9-thing...ren-commission
Reading it would be a stellar first step.

Disproving it with credibility would be quite the feat as nobody has ever done so.
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Old 04-02-2022, 06:22 PM
 
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Does this mean Russians are off the hook?

Does this mean that VP Lyndon Johnson to become Prez... did not do it per Q conspiracy theory from the great state of Texas?

Does this mean going off the Gold Standard was or was not to blame?

Did not the Russians not instill enough conspiracies yet?
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Old 04-02-2022, 07:05 PM
 
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Does this mean Russians are off the hook?

Does this mean that VP Lyndon Johnson to become Prez... did not do it per Q conspiracy theory from the great state of Texas?

Does this mean going off the Gold Standard was or was not to blame?

Did not the Russians not instill enough conspiracies yet?
Yup. Afraid so. You can ditch all the silly conspiracies, especially anything to do with Russia. Most people who have studied this know that it was related to Cuba and Fidel Castro (Communism was a huge scare back then), and probably includes a few members of the CIA (whose director named Dulles was fired by JFK), and maybe the mafia with whom JFK's dad had made deals that helped JFK get elected. Then JFK and RFK turned on the Mafia.

Even the Kennedy family believes it was a conspiracy and they have come right out and said it. It's not fun to believe the truth because it shows that our government was corrupt even all those years ago. The corruption is more obvious today than it was back then, that's all.
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Old 04-03-2022, 05:36 AM
 
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Cuba was near done and dusted. Kennedy won as he told the Soviets to get out of Cuba, then they did.
Look at JFKs social programs and reaching out to normalised relations with the USSR, have a joint space program, etc.
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Old 04-03-2022, 03:16 PM
 
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Cuba was near done and dusted. Kennedy won as he told the Soviets to get out of Cuba, then they did.
Look at JFKs social programs and reaching out to normalised relations with the USSR, have a joint space program, etc.
No, the Cuban exiles who left Cuba when Castro took over wanted Castro gone and they wanted their country back. The CIA attempts to poison Castro had failed. Cuba was not over.
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Old 04-05-2022, 11:57 AM
 
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No, the Cuban exiles who left Cuba when Castro took over wanted Castro gone and they wanted their country back. The CIA attempts to poison Castro had failed. Cuba was not over.
It would have been so easy for the US to overrun Cuba. Much, much easier than fighting the Vietnamese 8,000 miles away, who were being provided a massive amount of military and economic aid by the Soviets and the Chinese.

Cuba could’ve been blockaded very easily and all resupply cut off, and a small to medium sized force could’ve swept over the island with minimal casualties, compared to what we endured in Vietnam.

The real question is why JFK refused? It doesn’t make any sense really.

When JFK died, we had 16,000 troops in Vietnam. Why couldn’t those 16,000 troops have been sent to Cuba to liberate them from communism?

There is so much behind the scenes that we just don’t know about, even to this day. And yes, those international decisions being made behind closed doors directly led to a group of people in the US government who decided that JFK was an existential threat and had to be put down.

Not saying they were right, just saying they came to that conclusion.

Instead, we are left holding an outrageous bag of excrement. LBJ’s government tried to force a Lone Wolf assassin down all of our throats when it was/is obvious that he wasn’t capable, nor even had the inclination to kill JFK.
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Old 04-05-2022, 02:54 PM
 
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It would have been so easy for the US to overrun Cuba. Much, much easier than fighting the Vietnamese 8,000 miles away, who were being provided a massive amount of military and economic aid by the Soviets and the Chinese.

Cuba could’ve been blockaded very easily and all resupply cut off, and a small to medium sized force could’ve swept over the island with minimal casualties, compared to what we endured in Vietnam.

The real question is why JFK refused? It doesn’t make any sense really.

When JFK died, we had 16,000 troops in Vietnam. Why couldn’t those 16,000 troops have been sent to Cuba to liberate them from communism?

There is so much behind the scenes that we just don’t know about, even to this day. And yes, those international decisions being made behind closed doors directly led to a group of people in the US government who decided that JFK was an existential threat and had to be put down.

Not saying they were right, just saying they came to that conclusion.

Instead, we are left holding an outrageous bag of excrement. LBJ’s government tried to force a Lone Wolf assassin down all of our throats when it was/is obvious that he wasn’t capable, nor even had the inclination to kill JFK.
I suggest you do some research before making claims without factual information to back them up. Af American troops had invaded Cuba, they would have confronted 42,000 Soviet troops, more than four times what the CIA estimated at the time, and they would have been massacred by an array of Soviet tactical nuclear weapons that American intelligence had not discovered. Thirty-six R-12 missiles and twenty-four launchers were successfully deployed on the island as well as a number of tactical cruise missiles designed to stop an invading American force.
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