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Old 07-24-2021, 06:49 PM
 
Location: Lahaina, Hi.
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I believe in the butterfly/chaos theory, so the long term effects of changing one event are impossible to foretell.
It's hard to imagine that erasing slavery could have led to a worse outcome for America.
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Old 07-24-2021, 07:02 PM
 
Location: Wisco Disco
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Specific event is a tad constraining. I'd go back and educate the peeps before religion took a foothold and contaminated their minds and set mankind back millennia. We lost so much on the exponential intelligence curve. Still being thwarted today by idiots. C'mon idiots, step up and defend yourselves
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Old 07-24-2021, 08:23 PM
 
Location: Elsewhere
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How would you know, that what you changed would make the world 'better'? Whose idea of 'better'? We would not be where we are, were it not for all that went on before. Changing a previous event in no way guarantees that the future outcome would be 'better'.
Of course not, but it's fun to imagine. My daughter gave me a book once called What If, wherein different historians wrote essays on how think it would have gone if historical events had had a different outcome.

My favorite was what if Harold had won at the Battle of Hastings.

"The Collected What If? Eminent Historians Imagine What Might Have Been by Robert Cowley" https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/...ight_Have_Been
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Old 07-26-2021, 04:54 PM
 
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Monarchy does not inherently mean un-democratic. Sweden and Canada have monarchs and Japan has an emperor but they’re all very democratic, perhaps more so than the US.

Japan is a poor example. The only reason they have the democracy they do is because the warlords who actually ran the country under the monarch lost a war and were forced to give up power. I will give you Sweden but Canada (like Japan) is not a European country.


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Germany and Austria-Hungary were flawed partial democracies but they were making progress. They had elected legislatures with voting rights given to at least some citizens, even in minority areas. By 1914, each of their monarchs was not absolute; prime ministers (or the equivalent) and elected legislatures had some power. The level of democracy was higher in both countries than it had been decades before.

It has been years since I did much reading on German steps towards democracy but what I remember is that the steps taken were very shallow and meant to give the working class as little as possible but to shore up the position of the elite. I have not done much on A-H except to understand that it was such a conglomeration of systems that I don't think there was much hope of maintaining a unified government without extended civil conflict much longer. The third member of the Central powers was an 18th century entity that was attempting to survive using modern methods against dissident tribal groups that formed much of their population and had no intention of loosening the grip on poser (but again they were mainly a western Asia power not a European power.


Russia was its own worst enemy with a large uneducated population controlled by a powerful elite and being stirred up by rabbel rousing idealists.
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Old 07-26-2021, 06:51 PM
 
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I would change what happened in the reconstruction years to make sure that Jim Crow never happened
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Old 07-30-2021, 05:56 AM
 
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The Balfour Declaration.
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Old 07-30-2021, 06:16 AM
 
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I’ll give a tongue-in-cheek answer.

What you’re describing is known as the ‘grandfather paradox’. If you go back in time and kill your grandfather, you remove yourself from the equation. According to some ideas in cosmology (not any actual theory), whatever outcome you affect in the past, creates a new timeline in a parallel universe.
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Old 07-31-2021, 05:11 AM
 
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Japan is a poor example. The only reason they have the democracy they do is because the warlords who actually ran the country under the monarch lost a war and were forced to give up power. I will give you Sweden but Canada (like Japan) is not a European country.





It has been years since I did much reading on German steps towards democracy but what I remember is that the steps taken were very shallow and meant to give the working class as little as possible but to shore up the position of the elite. I have not done much on A-H except to understand that it was such a conglomeration of systems that I don't think there was much hope of maintaining a unified government without extended civil conflict much longer. The third member of the Central powers was an 18th century entity that was attempting to survive using modern methods against dissident tribal groups that formed much of their population and had no intention of loosening the grip on poser (but again they were mainly a western Asia power not a European power.


Russia was its own worst enemy with a large uneducated population controlled by a powerful elite and being stirred up by rabbel rousing idealists.
Both Austria-Hungary (which had universal suffrage for all men starting in 1906) and Germany per-WWI were more democratic than under Nazi and Communist rule.
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Old 07-31-2021, 07:38 AM
 
Location: western East Roman Empire
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What specific historical events would you change if you could, to make the world better?
Forget it.

Life is a hard game in which living creatures nip at and devour each other for survival.

Yes, an occasional fantasy does relieve the stress now and then until the final demise.

So, here's one: an organic agricultural society in which crops in wide variety never fail, alleviating need to go look elsewhere.

Sounds a bit like ancient Egypt actually, not perfect, relatively stable for very long periods, so far much longer than industrialized society.

Either way, all things must pass.


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Old 07-31-2021, 03:09 PM
 
Location: Knoxville, TN
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Muhammad would never have been born.

Karl Marx would never have been born.

Adolph Hitler would have opened a successful art Studio.
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