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Old 10-24-2021, 05:11 PM
 
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Nobody who grew up during segregation remembers Mexicans or "Spanish/Latin" people ever being segregated. It's a mystery why so many people, even mainstream sources, today are claiming that they were. There's a new wave of revisionism that's trying to rewrite American history pretending that segregation had something to do with "Latinos".

If Mexicans were segregated surely somebody in Texas would have known that before now.
They were not segregated legally, as Blacks were. However, the treatment was similar, with restaurants telling darker Mexican Americans to leave. They also had a difficult time finding good jobs, and were relegated to agriculture, cleaning, and other menial jobs.
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Old 10-24-2021, 05:53 PM
 
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The 65th Infantry was part of the white units.



There were some Puerto Ricans who were considered black - if they were obviously of African descent. I mentioned Roberto Clemente. But that was few of them. PRs were normally considered white.
Tell that to the PRs who came to the Mainland to work. They'll laugh in your face.

My Dad told me how he went looking for part-time work as a teen. He wasn't asking for much---a job as a dishwasher or clearing tables. Employers would take a look at him and say "We don't hire Puerto Ricans."

Or talk to the Puerto Ricans who went looking for an apartment. They got the same treatment---even the fair skinned PRs.

You just don't get it.
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Old 10-24-2021, 05:58 PM
 
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Well rock and roll star Buddy Holly got married to a Puerto Rican in Lubbock Texas, 1958 - when interracial marriage was very illegal. They never had a problem and were never considered to be a mixed race couple



If you notice she doesn't look completely European and probably has some "smokey" ancestry. But she, like nearly all Puerto Ricans at the time, was considered white.
Of course this went over your head. The clerks who gave out marriage licenses just would look at the couple. If they both looked white, they had no problems. I'm sure no one asked the future Mrs. Holly about her ethnicity.

In my uncle's case, the clerk took a look at them and refused them a marriage license.

Do you understand now?
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Old 10-25-2021, 12:31 PM
 
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Tritone is trying to say it is disingeonous for hispanics to say they suffered the same level of discrinmiation as AA did back in the day.

They are trying to make themselves look like victims and undermine AA's struggle for Civil Rights.

He or she is right 100%.
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Old 10-25-2021, 01:31 PM
 
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Nobody who grew up during segregation remembers Mexicans or "Spanish/Latin" people ever being segregated. It's a mystery why so many people, even mainstream sources, today are claiming that they were. There's a new wave of revisionism that's trying to rewrite American history pretending that segregation had something to do with "Latinos".

If Mexicans were segregated surely somebody in Texas would have known that before now.
they had separate schools in south texas and separate cemeteries too

Heck a few years ago we were out east of the Austin area checking out the little towns where my mom grew up and looking at the cemeteries

We stopped at one and were reading the big plague they had when another vehicle drove up.

They got out - said hello - and then told us we might be at the wrong place.

The Latino cemetery was "over there"

I'm sure they were just trying to be helpful - but we were headed that way after we checked this one out.
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Old 10-25-2021, 01:35 PM
 
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Here is a list of all the school segregation cases filed in south texas.

School Discrimination - Cortez et al. V. Carrizo Springs Independent School District - Carrizo Springs, Texas, 1951 | Texas A&M University-Corpus Christi Special Collections and Archives Finding Aids
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Old 10-25-2021, 01:38 PM
 
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And could not even use the same funeral homes - this is one famous case - The Longoria Incident. Lyndon Johnson had to get involved.

https://www.utmb.edu/drgarcia/the-longoria-incident
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Old 10-25-2021, 01:43 PM
 
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they had separate schools in south texas
Separate schools for Mexicans was special education for Spanish Speakers. It only existed in a small number of districts and it was part of the white public school system. It was meant to teach Mexican children English before going to middle school and high school with Anglos - unrelated to Jim Crow segregation.

The issue was that some Mexican children were being forced into special education even if they could speak English.

This is similar to the myth of Irish Slavery. Recently people argued that the Irish were slaves by claiming that indentured servitude was "slavery". Now people are saying that Mexicans were segregated by claiming that ESL education that was part of the white public school system was "racial segregation".
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Old 10-25-2021, 01:55 PM
 
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Of course this went over your head. The clerks who gave out marriage licenses just would look at the couple. If they both looked white, they had no problems. I'm sure no one asked the future Mrs. Holly about her ethnicity.

In my uncle's case, the clerk took a look at them and refused them a marriage license.

Do you understand now?
It seems that you still do not understand that this was racial rather than ethnic discrimination.
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Old 10-25-2021, 02:00 PM
 
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Separate schools for Mexicans was special education for Spanish Speakers. It only existed in a small number of districts and it was part of the white public school system. It was meant to teach Mexican children English before going to middle school and high school with Anglos - unrelated to Jim Crow segregation.

The issue was that some Mexican children were being forced into special education even if they could speak English.

This is similar to the myth of Irish Slavery. Recently people argued that the Irish were slaves by claiming that indentured servitude was "slavery". Now people are saying that Mexicans were segregated by claiming that ESL education that was part of the white public school system was "racial segregation".
so why were so many lawsuits?
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