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Old 12-07-2021, 02:24 PM
 
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Pearl Harbor: A Day That Lives in Infamy

5-Minute Videos â‹… Victor Davis Hanson â‹… December 07, 2021
On December 7, 1941, the Japanese Imperial Navy bombed the US Naval base at Pearl Harbor. The surprise attack shocked the nation and brought it into a world war. To this day, it remains seared in America’s historical memory. Renowned historian Victor Davis Hanson explains why.

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I'm surprised that no one posted about the 80th Anniversary of Pearl Harbor
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Old 12-07-2021, 02:33 PM
 
Location: near bears but at least no snakes
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When I heard the date on the radio this morning, Dec. 7th, that's all I could think of. "A day that will live in infamy." What a horrible day that got us into a deadly world war and ended so many lives and changed so many others for the worse. Brave people who fought in that war, we should be proud of them all.
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Old 12-07-2021, 02:38 PM
 
Location: Islip Township
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USA should dropped the third BOMB.
And yes there was another ready to go.
May all the American Service People and the civilians Murdered Rest in peace.
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Old 12-07-2021, 02:38 PM
 
Location: Free State of Florida
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My Dad's 87, & he was 7 years old on this date 80 years ago. I didn't look it up, but he says it was a Sunday because every Sunday his Aunt would take him to the candy store to buy candy, & the Sunday Newspaper, for his Father.

On that Sunday, he heard the men inside the Candy store talking about the Pearl Harbor bombing ( they lived in Brooklyn NY), so he ran outside to tell his Aunt.

They both ran home to tell my Grandfather who turned on the radio, & heard the "infamy" speech. My Dad says nobody even heard the words Pearl Harbor before that day.

My Dad too is disapointed that this date is overlooked by most Americans these days. He was happy that I called to discuss it with him earlier today, & ask him if he remembered where he was when he first heard of it. He enjoyed recounting the story of the Candy store in Brooklyn. His memory is still pretty good for an 87 year old....if that Sunday thing is correct.

If not, he's pretty good at making up stories on the fly.
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Old 12-07-2021, 03:53 PM
 
Location: Free State of Florida
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In my rememberance talk with my Father today, he said more American's died in WW1 than WW2.

He said said 35,000 Americans died in a single day in the attack on Normandy.

I told him that more Americans died of Covid than in all the wars combined, if the #'s reported can be believed.

If we are both right, that adds a lot of perspective.

Ignoring history has massive consequences.

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Old 12-07-2021, 04:09 PM
 
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In my rememberance talk with my Father today, he said more American's died in WW1 than WW2.

He said said 35,000 Americans died in a single day in the attack on Normandy.

I told him that more Americans died of Covid than in all the wars combined, if the #'s reported can be believed.

If we are both right, that adds a lot of perspective.

Ignoring history has massive consequences.
I'll correct you a bit. More Americans died in World War II (405,000) than in World War I. (117,000)

* My numbers from all armed conflicts are total deaths. The numbers just from combat deaths are lower.

The death toll from the Normandy invasion for American soldiers was about 2,500. I always like to note though that the death toll among French civilians was about 80,000.

You are correct that more have died from Covid 19 (791,000 as of 12/7/21) than from World War I (117,000), World War II (405,000), the Korean War (36,000), the Vietnam War (58,000), and the hostilities in the Middle East and Afghanistan. (7,000)

Total deaths from all the wars were 623,000. Total deaths from Covid 19 have been 791,000 as of today.

Perhaps, the greatest honor we can do veterans and those who died for this country is to give these numbers as accurately as we can.

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Old 12-07-2021, 04:48 PM
 
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USA should dropped the third BOMB.
And yes there was another ready to go.
May all the American Service People and the civilians Murdered Rest in peace.
The third bomb would have been ready for use on either August 18 or 19, per the memo from General Groves. This was, of course, well after the announcement of the Japanese surrender on August 15. It's generally considered unwise to demand a surrender in exchange for a cessation of bombing, and then to continue said bombing.
https://www.docsteach.org/documents/...er-atomic-bomb

The purpose of the use of the bombs had been fulfilled. That purpose was to force a Japanese surrender. Harry Truman was traumatized by the Japanese children that were killed by the bombing. That is not to say he regretted it, but he was certainly happy when it was not necessary to use the third.

The Allied air crews certainly didn't want to go on risking their lives when it was unnecessary. And the Japanese weren't the only ones doing the dying. Twelve American POWs died at Hiroshima. At Nagasaki, seven Dutch POWs and one British POW died. And tens of thousands of Koreans, mostly slave laborers imported to toil for their Japanese masters, died in the bombings. Who knows how many more such unfortunates would have died in a third bombing.
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Old 12-07-2021, 04:53 PM
 
Location: Free State of Florida
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I'll correct you a bit. More Americans died in World War II (405,000) than in World War I. (117,000)

* My numbers from all armed conflicts are total deaths. The numbers just from combat deaths are lower.

The death toll from the Normandy invasion for American soldiers was about 2,500. I always like to note though that the death toll among French civilians was about 80,000.

You are correct that more have died from Covid 19 (791,000 as of 12/7/21) than from World War I, World War II, the Korean War (36,000), the Vietnam War (58,000), and the hostilities in the Middle East and Afghanistan. (7,000)
interesting! Maybe I'll do some research. My Dad may have confused total Normandy deaths with American deaths.
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Old 12-07-2021, 08:09 PM
 
Location: San Diego CA
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If only we had a fully operational radar system that day. Things would have been different.
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Old 12-07-2021, 09:58 PM
 
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If only we had a fully operational radar system that day. Things would have been different.
They may have been worse.
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