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Old 08-06-2022, 06:05 AM
 
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The US War of Independence and 1812 Wars are mere footnotes in history, and other countries including the UK don't really delve in to them in history classes.
Looking at the extensive history of the British people over 1,000 years these events do not really figure.
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Old 08-06-2022, 06:15 AM
 
Location: Great Britain
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Looking at the extensive history of the British people over 1,000 years these events do not really figure.
Such events are obviously more important in terms of US history than British history or indeed European or history outside of the US.

However it should be noted that the British do not hold a grudge and are more than happy that the US hold 4th July celebrations. and there are even some celebrations in the UK.

If we were to hold a grudge it would be with the French, however we got our own back at Trafalgar and Waterloo, and helped put an end to Napoleon.

Napoleon's big mistake was invading Russia, with the Russian winter taking it's toll on his army.

This mistake was later repeated by Hitler, who didn't seem to learn from Napoleon's historic mistake.
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Old 08-06-2022, 06:22 AM
 
Location: Great Britain
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The Battle of Waterloo is still part of our culture to this day.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sj_9CiNkkn4


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqLoYQx8BXo
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Old 08-06-2022, 07:54 AM
 
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I live in Florida and watched a documentary on the state’s history, especially the establishment of St. Augustine. St. Augustine was founded by the Spanish military in 1565 while Jamestown in Virginia was founded by the British in 1607. So ironically, the US actually got it’s start as a Spanish colony (and now Hispanics are among the fastest growing group of residents here in the US—maybe we are returning to our roots?)

To me, it’s a case of emphasizing the history of the US from a northern, English perspective, rather than a southern, Spanish one.
I would never argue the US got its start as a Spanish colony because Florida was meaningless to what was happening north. The English colonies along the Atlantic is what started the US. Had it been Spain colonizing the Atlantic, there would have been no US but something else very different.

I'm in my early 40s and never in my life has American history ignored the Spanish or the Spanish lands in the western parts of the United States, and the Spanish in St. Augustine has been known and taught in history classes for generations and generations. As has the brief Spanish control of Louisiana. And merchants in early America traded with Spanish colonies in the Caribbean and South America, and, of course, the US revolution had great impact on fostering independence for the old Spanish colonies (Simon Bolivar was hailed in the US as a great democratic revolutionary, which is why you'll find statues to him in the oddest places). Then we had the Monroe Doctrine, and later, the Mexican-American war. And later, the Spanish American War.

The whole idea that aspects of US history is deliberately ignored or whitewashed away by some cabal of educators has always been peculiar and speaks more to modern revisioning than anything historical.
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Old 08-06-2022, 10:00 AM
 
Location: La Mesa Aka The Table
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Why the Civil war was fought. It was much more than just Slavery
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Old 08-06-2022, 11:44 AM
 
Location: The High Desert
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The whole idea that aspects of US history is deliberately ignored or whitewashed away by some cabal of educators has always been peculiar and speaks more to modern revisioning than anything historical.
I don't think that there is any organized strategy to overlook often neglected historical narratives. The emphasis on STEM curriculum has pushed most other topics of study to the curb. There are only so many hours in a day, and it is important to instill some understanding of the main currents of history that got us to where we are today. Even with that as our guide, I'm not sure we are doing a good job of it. Or experience over the last twenty years and how the country has struggled with civic ignorance and amplified misinformation on our own history and government tells me that we are failing at the basics, even before we can offer a look at more detailed views of history. A curious student has to explore that on their own and the path too often leads to YouTube or some other dubious sources.
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Old 08-06-2022, 03:41 PM
 
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The Brits sailed up the Potomac, flipped the Royal bird at Mount Vernon in Virginia to its left, then soon after on its right puny Fort Washington in Maryland and proceeded to torch the White House.
No, actually the British forces landed on the undefended Patuxent (NOT Potomac) River at Benedict and Croom, Md. and then marched north to Bladensburg and then west into Washington.
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Old 08-06-2022, 08:29 PM
 
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The USA came out of British American, not Spanish Florida. Florida flipped between Britain and Spain a few times.
The USA was an anglo founding. Florida was never one of the 13 colonies. Even Dershowitz calls the constitution the Anglo Constitution. They guys who singed the declaration and then the articles, like 58 of them, they were all of British ancestry except a few Dutch and 1 German Catholic.
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Old 08-07-2022, 06:05 AM
 
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No, actually the British forces landed on the undefended Patuxent (NOT Potomac) River at Benedict and Croom, Md. and then marched north to Bladensburg and then west into Washington.
We're both right.....

"On August 17th, Captain James Gordon took seven warships up the Potomac River to Washington to destroy any fortifications along the river."


"In 1814 the first Fort Washington came to an inglorious end when threatened by a squadron of British ships."
https://www.nps.gov/fowa/learn/histo...se-landing.htm

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Old 08-07-2022, 11:23 AM
 
Location: State of Transition
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I live in Florida and watched a documentary on the state’s history, especially the establishment of St. Augustine. St. Augustine was founded by the Spanish military in 1565 while Jamestown in Virginia was founded by the British in 1607. So ironically, the US actually got it’s start as a Spanish colony (and now Hispanics are among the fastest growing group of residents here in the US—maybe we are returning to our roots?)

To me, it’s a case of emphasizing the history of the US from a northern, English perspective, rather than a southern, Spanish one.
The Spanish first arrived in New Mexico in 1540 in an expedition led by Francisco de Coronado.

Instead of teaching US history by region or the national origin of the colonists, why not take holistic approach, rather than piecemeal?
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