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The blockade of the African slave trade by Britain started in 1808. The West Africa Squadron (Preventative Squadron) intercepted perhaps up to 1,600 ships. It should be noted that the legal importation of slaves into the US stopped in 1808.
The US had a similar squadron established under the Act of March 3, 1819, Relative to the Slave Trade. Enforcement was spotty, but improved after 1842 with the Webster-Ashburton Treaty (1842); still it was bad. One source (naval historian Jack Sweetman) has US interdictions at 10 and the British at over 400 between 1845-1850. It wasn't a high priority of the US since slavery was legal.
The blockade of the African slave trade by Britain started in 1808. The West Africa Squadron (Preventative Squadron) intercepted perhaps up to 1,600 ships. It should be noted that the legal importation of slaves into the US stopped in 1808.
The US had a similar squadron established under the Act of March 3, 1819, Relative to the Slave Trade. Enforcement was spotty, but improved after 1842 with the Webster-Ashburton Treaty (1842); still it was bad. One source (naval historian Jack Sweetman) has US interdictions at 10 and the British at over 400 between 1845-1850. It wasn't a high priority of the US since slavery was legal.
It should also be noted that the vast majority of ships seized by either country were not bound for the United States. There was a tremendous amount of propaganda before the Civil War about a steady stream of slave ships unloading in the southern states, but the first federal census after the war (done in 1870), showed fewer than 2,000 non-white natives of Africa in the entire United States. This would have been about .05% of the former slave population, and it is quite likely that most of these had been brought to America before or shortly after the outlawing of the international slave trade.
It should also be noted that the vast majority of ships seized by either country were not bound for the United States. There was a tremendous amount of propaganda before the Civil War about a steady stream of slave ships unloading in the southern states, but the first federal census after the war (done in 1870), showed fewer than 2,000 non-white natives of Africa in the entire United States. This would have been about .05% of the former slave population, and it is quite likely that most of these had been brought to America before or shortly after the outlawing of the international slave trade.
The U.S. banned the slave trade well before the civil war. It was made illegal in 1808, so there should be very few at that time.
Slavery in the British overseas colonies wasn't abolished until 1834 (Slavery Abolition Act). Britain remained heavily invested in American slavey through its dependence on cotton and investments in bonds.
After the fall of the Confederacy, Confederate "cotton" bonds took on a life of their own. Known today as as "Zombie Bonds" they were traded on London exchanges until 1871. A Confederate Bond Holder's Committee was established in London. Comprised mostly of French and British investors legal efforts to force them to be paid ended in the US after it became apparent that newly elected President Cleveland wasn't going to pay them. Legal efforts in England ended in the 1920's (alas, can't find the court case). Today, owners of Zombie bonds like myself are left with them as collector's items.
Buying a product does not mean supporting its means of production.
They did not just buy cotton, but by buying bonds were heavily invested in its means of production and the wealth of the slaveowners and the economy based on slavery. Cotton bonds were also known as Erlanger loans. They were, in today's terms, similar to convertibles and were actually a form of ownership. For more: https://tontinecoffeehouse.com/2020/...-cotton-bonds/
In my home, are portraits of several American revolutionaries; along with them are portraits of three sovereigns: the late Queen Elizabeth, Kaiser Franz-Joseph I and King George III (an engraving of him as an old man). Who knows which side one would have been on? (To confuse the neighbors, I even fly Queen Anne's flag on occasion; though on others, the Serapis flag.)
It should also be noted that the vast majority of ships seized by either country were not bound for the United States. There was a tremendous amount of propaganda before the Civil War about a steady stream of slave ships unloading in the southern states, but the first federal census after the war (done in 1870), showed fewer than 2,000 non-white natives of Africa in the entire United States. This would have been about .05% of the former slave population, and it is quite likely that most of these had been brought to America before or shortly after the outlawing of the international slave trade.
No, most likely they were imported from Spanish Colonies like Puerto Rico or Cuba, or from Portuguese colonies. Some plantation owners engaged in private trading as opposed to market trading. In other words they didn't sell all of their cotton or other crop on the market. They reserved it to trade for personal things they wanted like art or furniture or antiquities. Those were person-to-person or person-to-small business trades. That's just part and parcel of the barter system which was operative everywhere.
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Originally Posted by joe from dayton
History is written by the victors.
The definition of "good guys" is subject to change without notice.
A good number of people wanted to remain loyal to England, but I don't think it was the majority. I think the majority of people just wanted to be left he hell alone.
No, the overwhelming majority were loyal to Britain. A large minority, much larger than the rebels, didn't give a damn one way or another because it would make no difference in their lives.
They did not just buy cotton, but by buying bonds were heavily invested in its means of production and the wealth of the slaveowners and the economy based on slavery.
You are trying to pass the buck.
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