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And women who wanted to put a stop to the violence against women provoked by male alcohol consumption. Don't forget about that. For women just trying to physically survive the worst of the bad marriages of the time, it had nothing to do with religion.
Yep. Husband would get paid on Friday and spend his pay at the saloon before giving any to his spouse to pay the rent or food for the kids.
I would like to see some laws regarding alcohol. There's too many driving while intoxicated deaths on the road. Drunk people putting others on the road at risk. I would like to see legislation that limits how many drinks a person at a bar can consume. I would suggest 2. And a universal card to buy drinks at a bar that is inserted into a computer and it shows the bartender how many drinks have been consumed that night by a patron, at any bar. Stiff penalties for anyone breaking the law. And for bars.
That's ridiculous. You don't know who is driving. They may have taken an Uber or walked to the bar. Most towns have a local pub within walking distance.
Prohibition was, in part, a side effect of industrialization; a society in which most people lived a simple agrarian (farm-based) lifestyle was a society in which accidents in which large numbers of people were killed or injured were very rare. This began to change when more of us were concentrated in cities and larger enterprises for both the manufacture and transportation/distribution of goods emerged. Fires and individual accidents were likely to cause a higher death toll, and liquor was sometimes a factor. It didn't happen that often, but when it did, it gave the prohibitionists another talking point.
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Prohibition was, in part, a side effect of industrialization; a society in which most people lived a simple agrarian (farm-based) lifestyle was a society in which accidents with large numbers of people were killed or injured were very rare. This began to change when more of us were concentrated in cities and larger enterprises for both the manufacture and transportation of goods emerged. Fires and individual accidents were likely to cause a higher death toll, and liquor was sometimes a factor. It didn't happen that often, but when it did, it gave the prohibitionists another talking point.
Good point.
I've read some historians who make the claim that the introduction of coffee houses into 1700's England was part of the beginning of industrialization. Before then, everyone, including children, drank beverages with at least some alcohol content as the water supplies could not be counted upon to always be sanitary. After the introduction of coffee and tea, which required boiling water, workers were slightly buzzed on caffeine instead of slightly inebriated from alcohol.
That's ridiculous. You don't know who is driving. They may have taken an Uber or walked to the bar. Most towns have a local pub within walking distance.
Yep. Husband would get paid on Friday and spend his pay at the saloon before giving any to his spouse to pay the rent or food for the kids.
One thing I always wondered is if you could have done more good by trying to simply abolish saloons. They could have let people drink, but made them do it at home.
It was 1927 for Ontario. Prince Edward Island was the last to repeal it, in 1948. Quebec tried it, but with so many exceptions to it, that it might as well never had it at all. And there are still dry communities in various places in Canada to this day, under Local Option.
A list of the provinces, territories, and dates of repeal can be found here:
Right. In Ontario, for example, brewers, wineries, and distilleries could keep producing, as long as their products were exported from Canada. Neither the Ontario government nor the Canadian government cared where it was exported to, however, and if it was exported to the United States, well, so be it.
There was an interesting documentary on Prohibition a few years ago, on (I think) the History Channel. When it came to the question of, "How did alcohol from outside the US get into the US?", the documentary concentrated mainly on the alcohol coming from and through the Caribbean. It made a brief mention of alcohol coming from Canada, but just a brief one; IMHO, it did not give Canada's producers and exporters their due in role they played in supplying alcohol to the US during American Prohibition.
I didn't know we still had dry places. Tried finding info but it's in pieces by provinces and territories. Seems most are in Nunavut and the NWT?? I couldn't find any in Ontario or BC. Not sure if that's accurate, but I've never heard of one in BC.
I'm old enough to remember some of the remnants of prohibition, the weird rules at liquor stores, pubs, and restaurants.
Liquor stores looked like something out of the Soviet Union in the 1970's here in BC. Children were not allowed in. You lined up at a counter, told the clerk what you wanted, they wrote it down, went in the back and brought your purchase out. This was gone by the time I was 20. ( age is 19 here in BC ). They had short hours, and closed on holidays and Sundays, and would only accept cash. No credit cards.
No private stores then.
Compare that with the government Liquor Stores of today. Here in BC they can be compared to some of the best wine and liquor shops around. The selection, especially wines, is massive. They are open 364 days a year and Signature stores have trained wine specialist if you need one. I've been to some in Toronto and Montreal. Very nice as well.
Plus all the private shops as well.
The old pubs in the smaller hotels that were so prevalent in the 1920's to 1970's still had separate entrances. One for " Men " and one for " Ladies and Escorts ". The pub, before my time, was divide. Women were not allowed to be alone. Very odd thinking for us today.
On Sunday you couldn't legally buy a drink, unless you were eating at a restaurant. Some places had what was called a " rubber sandwich " or left a plate smeared with ketchup, and were told, if anyone asks, you had a cheeseburger. LOL.
All that's changed now, but still it was only about 10 years ago...probably for the Olympics, that they let people go to a restaurant and sit at the restaurant bar, and just have a drink. Until then, you only could sit at the bar while waiting for a table. Silly rules really.
We can now even drink on the beaches and in the parks in Vancouver. Apparently in designated areas. The fear of legally drinking on a beach now seems odd. People did anyways, wine with a picnic in a park was tolerated before. Making it legal didn't change behaviour. I haven't seen groups of drunken youths marauding the beaches and parks.
Which brings me back to prohibition. Prohibit something, and people will find a way to get it, or for some, the prohibition makes it more attractive.
Like cannabis, legalizing it, hasn't change anything that I can see on the service. I'm pretty sure the 4/20 crowd feels like their purpose is gone.
That's ridiculous. You don't know who is driving. They may have taken an Uber or walked to the bar. Most towns have a local pub within walking distance.
Or how big the person is. A 100lb female will process alcohol differently than a 350lb male.
It wasn't just women who were temperance advocates. There were plenty of men in the movement.
Yes, but it is interesting that universal suffrage (women voting) and prohibition came on at about the same time. I find that interesting.
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