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Saying that victory would've been impossible without American aid and gear forgets that not having that the Russians and Brits would've done things differently, made different decisions.
For instance British resources sent to the Med could've been devoted to the Atlantic campaign. It's quite possible that Britian would've been better off letting the Med go anyway.
I think the Russians would've destroyed Nazism had it taken 20 years and almost any number of lives. They had no choice.
There is a great website with memoirs from WW2 vets on it (Russian vets). After reading it one comes away with an apprecaition of their dire shortage of even food and clothing.
Remember, an army marches on its stomach. Scroll back up the thread and look at the vast stores that were shipped to the Russians....it's staggering.
Had the USA not gotten involved in WW II on the side of the Allies; and had Germany had a effective leader (Hitler was anything but competent)------the USSA would have gone down.
Rule of thumb with the USSR/Russia: once you seize Moscow------you have the rest of that country.
i disagree (that and $1.60 will get up a cup of coffee at starbucks)
here is why. germany super weapons were very close at hand. it is only bek germany was fighting a 2 front war that the russian advance was so fast.
a lil more time would have given germany the extra to repulse the russian counter attack. remember they killed 21 million russians. its not like russia was fresh and rested. having said that lets have some coffee & thank god we dont have to relive any of that.
Saying that victory would've been impossible without American aid and gear forgets that not having that the Russians and Brits would've done things differently, made different decisions.
For instance British resources sent to the Med could've been devoted to the Atlantic campaign. It's quite possible that Britian would've been better off letting the Med go anyway.
I think the Russians would've destroyed Nazism had it taken 20 years and almost any number of lives. They had no choice.
I just don't see it. What would have happened to the UK is a wild card. I doubt they would have been overrun. But victory would have been out of the question.
As to Russia, its possible, but doubtful. One interesting thing to remember is that more than a few in the West thought Communism was the greater evil and its not outside the realm of possibility that more countries would have helped Germany nail the USSR.
Saying the US made the difference need not be seen as boastful or jingoistic. Its the result of calculus. Hitler simply had taken on too many enemies and the US was the tipping point. Its not like we did not need the efforts of the Canadians, Brits, Russians, Aussies, Kiwis, etc, etc.
Our greatest contribution to WWII was not the number of troops that we sent (which was really not that many in comparision to others) but rather the so-called "Arsenal of Democracy" that was able to produce the equipment needed to defeat the Axis. It was never attacked as Britih ibdustry was and did not have to move as did the USSR's means of production
Goddam, is nobody jump in on my side, even as a pure exercise in argument? I need help here.
I get more help defending Bragg.
Sooner or later, a proud Briton will come along and side with you whilst praising Monty, the RAF and the King. They are taught that things were well under control when the US entered the war.
There was an article in the last issue of World War 2 magizine that spoke on the subject of how Stalin and the USSR downplayed the effect of US material had on their war effort. A Russian author wrote a book about it using as his reference information which under the Communists was held as closely guarded secrets.
I think the Allies would have won in Europe without the help of US boots on the ground but England and the USSR would have had big problems if not for our material , transports and escort help by the USN. Keep in mind England being a island nation was slowly being strangled by the U-Boats.
I do not know if this could have been possible- as an answer to the OP.
Germany, was bled dry by Operation Barbarossa especially after its summer successes, in late 1941-early 1942.
Without American arms help- Stalin would have had a tougher time. If anything the eastern front might have remained stagnant for some time- with neither side able to gain the initiative.
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