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Old 06-26-2008, 09:04 AM
 
Location: Colorado
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Thank you, sincerely. What was the land we know as England, before it became England? Was it included in the claim of Dal Riata?
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Old 06-26-2008, 09:21 AM
 
Location: Wheaton, Illinois
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Thank you, sincerely. What was the land we know as England, before it became England? Was it included in the claim of Dal Riata?
It's complicated.

What's now England and Wales was called Britian by the Romans. When the Romans pulled out Germans invaded from the continent and took over most of Britian. Because many of these invaders were Angles the area became known as Angle-Land then England. For a long time there was no political unity but a bunch of small kingdoms----Wessex, Northumbria, Cornwall and so on. England wasn't really unified until the reign of the king Cnut, a Dane. The somewhat unified England that William invaded was the offshoot of Cnut's kingdom.

Dal Riata was a kingdom established in Scotland by Irish invaders, I don't think they had any claims to England.
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Old 06-26-2008, 10:41 AM
 
Location: The place where the road & the sky collide
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Thank you, sincerely. What was the land we know as England, before it became England? Was it included in the claim of Dal Riata?
Dal Riata has surfaced in DNA testing. They are finding subgroups in the Celtic DNA. Since some clans have traditions of descent from Dal Riata, it could get interesting when they get more information.
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Old 06-26-2008, 11:23 AM
 
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I have to ask , was William the Conquerer also known as William the Basturd? (pardon my french).
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He was, indeed. He was the illegitimate son of Robert the Devil, Duke of Normandy.
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Old 06-26-2008, 01:34 PM
 
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He was, indeed. He was the illegitimate son of Robert the Devil, Duke of Normandy.

A guy must'a really been a pistol to be called "the Devil" in those days.

I always figured William conquered England just so's he'd get a new nickname.
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Old 06-26-2008, 02:52 PM
 
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From what I understand, Brittan and Breten were two different terms and peoples, is that accurate? Breten named after the family de/le Brechin or something similar from Flanders, whom a decendant, was also accused with the Hugh deMorville of murdering the Archbishop of Canterbury, Thomas Beckett in 1170/72 time period. Can anyone confirm that?
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Old 06-26-2008, 04:04 PM
 
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a Guy Must'a Really Been A Pistol To Be Called "the Devil" In Those Days.

I Always Figured William Conquered England Just So's He'd Get A New Nickname.
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Old 06-26-2008, 04:45 PM
 
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My first thoughts on William the basturd, was I hoped he blacked somebody's eye for calling him mean names, then I thought, what if he was a rightful heir in the first place??

myself, I probably have plenty of nicknames, spider smasher might be one, stands with fist, purse full o rocks. lol
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Old 06-27-2008, 07:42 AM
 
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Dal Riata has surfaced in DNA testing. They are finding subgroups in the Celtic DNA. Since some clans have traditions of descent from Dal Riata, it could get interesting when they get more information.
Can you tell me how to contact those who are conducting this DNA survey? or direct me to where you found out about it, I want to submit my mtDNA to it, Thanks!
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Old 06-27-2008, 07:56 AM
 
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BTW, I understand that DNA is predominantly linked only in the Male Y chromosome, but I also understand that in the teeth of every male is the mtDNA sequence of his female ancestry.mtDNA is called Mitochondrial DNA, which is the only sequence females have as a signature. This is just my understanding of it.
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