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Old 09-19-2008, 07:28 AM
 
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My father always tells me that he can link the downfall of America to the start of Beatlemania. Before they hit the scene in 1964 most kids had short hair, men wore a hat and suit, women wore dresses, and kids obeyed their parents. People had more respect for themselves and crime was low.

If you look at pictures of people, it seemed like most folks started to get sloppy after 1964. If you look at pictures of the Beatles themselves, you will notice their hair got longer each year and they looked rougher with each passing album cover.

Another thing that happened in 1964, the year the Beatles hit America, was more crime and a break down of the family and more racial troubles. The crime rate has gone up every year since the year 1964.. until just recently.

Once the Beatles came to America, our Country has never really recovered. It just gets worse and more sloppy each year.

The Beatles and Rock and Roll really did destroy America, agree?
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Old 09-19-2008, 08:04 AM
 
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I don't think that the Beatles had much to do with it. I think the transformation of the Beatles from their early "square" days to their appearance on the White Album cover is more of a response to the changing of the times than the other way around.
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Old 09-19-2008, 08:05 AM
 
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I dont think you can link sloppiness in hair and dress to the downfall of a culture. Some of the most evil groups inhistory dressed impeccably and had short hair.
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Old 09-19-2008, 08:13 AM
 
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The decline of haberdashery (men's hats) in the United States is directly attributed to John F. Kennedy.

On the day of his inauguration, Kennedy broke tradition by not wearing a hat while being sworn into office. The unofficial story (true or not) is that he (or his political handlers) wanted to show his full head of hair and his youthful vibrance by not wearing a hat. The sale of men's hats dropped to nearly nothing the next year and have never recovered.
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Old 09-19-2008, 08:17 AM
 
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Don't forget about the beatniks who's life style was in place before the Beatles . Could there be a link between the names Beatnik and Beatles?

Beatnik - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"Since 1958, the terms Beat Generation and beat have been used to describe the anti-materialistic literary movement that began with Kerouac in 1948, stretching on into the 1960s. Music historians saw that the beat philosophy of anti-materialism, combined with its fundamental soul-searching ethos, influenced 1960s musicians, such as Bob Dylan, the early Pink Floyd and The Beatles."
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Old 09-19-2008, 09:03 AM
 
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Yeah but the Beatles wore suits during their shows, at least for the first few years. The Rolling Stones were really considered the sloppy/dirty alternative to the Beatles - longer hair, less civilized.

Beatles not only influenced modern culture, but were influenced by it. They changed with the times, you will see a drastic change in their appearance and music from 1964 to 1967. Bob Dylan, Jimi Hendrix, the Byrds, the Beach Boys...all influenced The Beatles. As well as pop icon figures such as Timothy Leary and Andy Warhol. The baby boom generation was coming of age and youth started having a central identity. London at the time was a central scene of the young youth movement, as was California, all went into the heads of Lennon and McCarthy.

So really, the Beatles were a product of the baby boom generation, not the other way around. Why the breakdown of family and racial tension? That's more complex. I think it's due to the size of the baby boom generation, so many youths coming of age at one time, that enabled society to change it's norms. That and technology and mass communication allowed this generation to think collectively - TV, radio in all cars, records. Brought new progressive thoughts and new ideas, some having adverse effects. Beatles and rock music were merely a component of this growth in mass communication.
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Old 09-19-2008, 09:15 AM
 
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Did the Beatles start an era of sloppiness?

Not really, but they did, without a doubt, inadvertantly contribute to it. A lot of factors were involved in how we arrived at this present state of sloppiness.

Sure, they began the long hair thing and were on the forefront of the Hippie look- although they themselves always wore expensive Hippie garb such as capes, boots, etc.

They helped to popularize drug usage- hey, I like to burn one and love the Beatles, but its true. They did thumb their nose at the established order, although perhaps more in the UK than the USA. They embraced Eastern religion which, at the time, might have been seen as rejecting Judeo-Christian thought. But, in many ways, they still acted like proper English boys- they all married early, the Queen liked them, etc.

Obviously, they were an integral component of the 60s counterculture which changed alot of things, but they were not the only one. JFK, for instance, is credited with starting the trend of mean not wearing a hat as he kept his on the chair during the swearing in.
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Old 09-23-2008, 07:49 AM
 
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The Beatles where a part of the cultural upheavals and changes that took place in the 1960s- if any thing the fine line of the past- and the 'new idealogy' of less conservative social dogma; I.e when Catholics did not eat meat on Friday, obeyed the Pope, men wore ties and had short hair and Ladies wore white gloves was November 22, 1963- American culture began a perceptive shift with new expressions in fashion, music and social values, after the assassination of JFK (who was a new 'Pioneer' in the changes beginning to take place.) That date probably ended the conformist 50s and values of the past- and ushered in the turbulent 60s. What we are today as a nation- is still reverberating from the vast cultural shift that began over 40 years ago.
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Old 09-23-2008, 07:57 AM
 
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The Beatles where a part of the cultural upheavals and changes that took place in the 1960s- if any thing the fine line of the past- and the 'new idealogy' of less conservative social dogma; I.e when Catholics did not eat meat on Friday, obeyed the Pope, men wore ties and had short hair and Ladies wore white gloves was November 22, 1963- American culture began a perceptive shift with new expressions in fashion, music and social values, after the assassination of JFK (who was a new 'Pioneer' in the changes beginning to take place. That date probably ended the conformist 50s and values of the past- and ushered in the turbulent 60s. What we are today as a nation- is still reverberating from the vast cultural shift that began over 40 years ago.
I think this is pretty accurate. The changes in the 60's like others have said were the Baby Boomer generation entering their teens and twenties, rebelling against the conformity of their parents generation. Like all pendulum swings, they go too far in the opposite direction. Leisure suits???
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Old 09-23-2008, 09:04 AM
 
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My father always tells me that he can link the downfall of America to the start of Beatlemania.
And his father before him probably said he linked the downfall of America to the popularity of jazz. Every generation rebels against its parents, and every parent thinks the world is going to hell in a handbasket.

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If you look at pictures of people, it seemed like most folks started to get sloppy after 1964.
Same thing. Women have been screeching at their daughters for at least 200 years over their style of dress. This is nothing new.

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The Beatles and Rock and Roll really did destroy America, agree?
Nope.
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