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Old 09-29-2008, 06:22 PM
 
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Germany certainly had the knowhow, at the time it had many of the most talented and brightest physicists in the world. The entire concept of nuclear fission was born there. They also had the recources. Their leaders simply didn't really try. Had they focused on it from the very beginning, instead of the (at the time) useless rocket program, the world might have been a different place today.
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Old 09-29-2008, 06:33 PM
 
Location: Iowa
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By resources, yes they had the know how, but when you look at the electric power needed to enrich the uranium, could they have done it ? The manhattan project was HUGE. The oakridge facility was a monster, could germany have done that, and kept up the war effort on all other fronts ?
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Old 09-29-2008, 08:19 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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We had it first. Why did we allow anyone else to have it?
Because we can't lobotomize everyone ever born, which is what you'd have to do.

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When we knew the the USSR was testing one, couldn't we have said, "Stop it, or you are going to get one on your head". Couldn't we have stopped it all?
Um, no because the CIA published it's report stating that it would be 10 years before the Soviets acquired a nuclear weapon 6 months after the Soviets had already test detonated a nuclear device.

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But, more specifically. Why in the world did we ever stand by and allow Pakistan to have nuclear weapons, and India for that matter. Wasn't there a debate here?
The US didn't know. The CIA has many tools, but (News Flash) ESP isn't one of them.

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but doesn't that scare the hell out of you that Pakistan has the suckers.
They have uranium-based nukes. Most of their weapons are in the 0.1 kt to 1.0 kt range, and are double-gun systems designed for tube artillery and short range missiles.

Max yield for a uranium-based weapon would be 60 kt and that would be a monster. Since Pakistan no longer has B-57Bs, they have no aircraft that could carry such a warhead, and no missile could either.
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Old 09-30-2008, 02:35 AM
 
Location: Baywood Park
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We should have lobotomized then. Our gov't had no idea? Give me a break. If that's true our gov't has let us down for 50 years.
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Old 09-30-2008, 09:12 AM
 
Location: Ohio
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We should have lobotomized then. Our gov't had no idea? Give me a break. If that's true our gov't has let us down for 50 years.
You don't understand the intelligence gathering process and don't understand the capabilities of intelligence agencies, and I don't have 3 years to explain it to you.

Most countries do not have huge signs with neon lights pointing out where projects related to nuclear weapon design or construction are taking place.

You've seen way too many Hollywood films and TV shows. My recommendation is to take up gardening.

On September 20, 1949 the CIA issued Intelligence Memorandum 225, "Estimate of Status of Atomic Warfare in the USSR" which concluded that , "The earliest possible date which the USSR might be expected to produce an atomic bomb is mid-1950 and the most probable date is mid-1953."

That report was published 22 days after the Soviets test-detonated a nuclear device.
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Old 09-30-2008, 10:10 AM
 
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I would like to thank the predictable "It's the US's Fault" people for yet another good laugh.

1) The Russsians STOLE the bomb and then had it before we could stop them.

2) Which country built (or attempted to) heavy nuclear reactors for Pakistan and India? Iran? North Korea? Syria? Iraq? Yes, the answer is the USSR...but lets not let that stop us from BLAMING the US!

What the heck are these people doing in the History section? Oh wait, we are next to Hobbies and Recreation, perhaps people misclicked when looking for skateboarding and how to install grow lights in an attic.
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Old 09-30-2008, 10:42 AM
 
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does anyone know what the iran iraq afghanistan war is about fully and completely? religious?
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Old 09-30-2008, 12:05 PM
 
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does anyone know what the iran iraq afghanistan war is about fully and completely? religious?
Hey Newbie - look up "hijacking a post" in the lexicon of internet usage. i.e. - start a new topic, preferably in the politics forum.
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Old 09-30-2008, 01:26 PM
 
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1) The Russsians STOLE the bomb and then had it before we could stop them.
The Russians have always been good at this. No one can spy like they can. Their intellegence gathering methods are the most advanced in world history. Rules ?, there are no rules. Industrial or political espionage always brought them up to speed on everything. They stole everything so they didn't have to pay for the R&D.

All thru the cold war, even when we pulled some slick things like tapping their underwater cable, they found out about it sooner or later. They bribe anyone they can, and it works, how many of our own sold us out ?

Im sure Putin still has his spies spread out, secrets don't stay that way for long when the Russians get curious.

Lol, remember when we paid them to build the US embassy for us in Moscow, and we found 3 million microphones embedded into the concrete structure ?
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Old 09-30-2008, 04:10 PM
 
Location: SoCal
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We had it first. Why did we allow anyone else to have it? When we knew the the USSR was testing one, couldn't we have said, "Stop it, or you are going to get one on your head". Couldn't we have stopped it all? But, more specifically. Why in the world did we ever stand by and allow Pakistan to have nuclear weapons, and India for that matter. Wasn't there a debate here? There had to be. It's all about not ever letting Iraq or Iran have them, but doesn't that scare the hell out of you that Pakistan has the suckers. Why in the hell did we allow that country develop those weapons?
How to make a nuke is basic physics at the level of most college physics classes however how to get the materials for it is another story. It's not like China who got the bomb in '64 spied on the US to get it or the Russian just handed it over to them. If haven't looked at the researchers at US universities lately they are mostly from Asia and Europe, there are some very smart/creative minds out there. Also it's not like we didn't import German nuclear program scientists over here during WWII for our program.
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