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I know what your saying about the Romans Trudeyrose.....although i was impling that the Celts and the Native Americans were the early tribes or clans of their respected continents. The Celts should be called the ''Native Europeans'' correct?
Actually, the Celts were not "native" to Briton or Ireland...But they were numerous over large parts of Europe. Not sure who they replaced! One thing I found very puzzeling when I was in Southern Germany...they were selling Celtic jewelry and I had no idea why!! That is one reason I started reading up on ancient Europe...and what I have learned has been great!
Actually, the Celts were not "native" to Briton or Ireland...But they were numerous over large parts of Europe. Not sure who they replaced! One thing I found very puzzeling when I was in Southern Germany...they were selling Celtic jewelry and I had no idea why!! That is one reason I started reading up on ancient Europe...and what I have learned has been great!
I know the Neolithic Baltic Celts came into the Orkney Islands around 2,500 b.c. as they also created the Rings of Brodgar from around that time era and the Hallstatt Celts started to emerge and cover all of Europe from around 800 b.c. so i'd assume they along with the Baltic Celts would be the first European cultures??
Before them i'm thinking could be the Cro-Magnons (We Humans) and the Neanderthals as both groups were Hunter/Gatherers ??
They were for the most part contained in the Italian Peninsula as the Republic until the Punic Wars from 265 to 145 b.c. as by then the Celts had already covered most of Europe.
6/3 got it right with Cro-Magnons being the first inhabitants...However, let's determine if they were Liberal or Conservative before we go handing out 'reparations'!!!
6/3 got it right with Cro-Magnons being the first inhabitants...However, let's determine if they were Liberal or Conservative before we go handing out 'reparations'!!!
LOL...those poor Neanderthals as to what we Cro-Mags did to them .
Julius Caesar was definitely not only a liberal but a proto-radical, if a moderate and thoughtful radical. (since these terms stem from the French Revolution I will be using the term "proto" a lot) He extended representation to germanic minorities and the poor, and redistributed wealth aggressively. It was the aristocrats, the ultra-wealthy, who had him assassinated because A. (From a leftist, or caesar's perspective) he was threatening the dominance that allowed them to oppress and exploit the masses or B. (From a right-wing perspective) his egalitarianism was a threat to Roman traditions and its economy. Allowing representation to the poor and minorities was the last straw; wealthy reactionary Gaius Cassius Longinus, one of the assassins, upon watching the new Senators tramp mud all over the Senate floor, wrote that Rome "had been raised by wolves only to be raped by dogs". Caesar was, by and large, beloved by the poor and hated by the wealthy. He siezed Rome by marching his army home from a foreign war rather than returning when recalled and allowing his disgruntled troops to stay and fight the Germans. (Although ironically his apparent opposition to pointless foreign wars led many outer provinces to rebel, forcing him to become embroiled in pointless foreign wars). Caesar ended an economic system in Rome that existed when he came to power that could best be described as proto-fascist (in fact fascism was based on it), moving to one that could almost be described as moderately proto-socialistic. He was also, for his time, a proto-feminist, expanding womens' legal rights (although not to the point of anything approaching equality) and was criticized by his opponents as unmanly because he was known not only to let his wife speak without first being spoken to but to take her advice on policy.
Ironically, after a cabal of reactionary aristocrats killed him for his progressive policies, a short civil war followed where the reactionary leaders, Brutus and Cassius were defeated, and a triumvirate of almost protoStalinist agressive ultraradicals (mainly octavian) took power, putting policies in place that were far more extreme than Caesar's but in the same direction. When the truimvirate was told that having given so much money away to the poor, mainly as free food and drink and entertainment, (and throwing lavish celebrations for themselves) had nearly bankrupted Rome, Marc Antony (one of the other members of the Triumvirate) responded (and I am paraphrasing but closely) "well, then we will have to find some more rich people very soon, accuse them of crimes, and take their money". If that doesn't sound like extreme ultraleftism put in the starkest and most unflattering manner, then I don't know what leftist means.
Actually, the Celts were not "native" to Briton or Ireland...But they were numerous over large parts of Europe. Not sure who they replaced! One thing I found very puzzeling when I was in Southern Germany...they were selling Celtic jewelry and I had no idea why!! That is one reason I started reading up on ancient Europe...and what I have learned has been great!
They replaced the Picts. The guys with the blue face paint were not Celts, whatever Mel Gibson would have us believe from having Celts painted up like Picts in braveheart. The Picts replaced the Mesoliths, who, to make up for their technological disadvantages, used cannibalism as a form of military terrorism to try to intimidate the Picts when it had previously not been a part of either Culture.
Wow, this thread is old. I couldn't even grow any hairs when it began ��
Based upon his actions, he was a liberal for the times. Although the main question among historians is whether or not this was because of his values, or simply because he was cynically exploiting the masses. Pursuing a populist agenda in order to increase his own political power.
I don't think using a modern political spectrum would make any sense in this scenario. Virtually all leaders from this period would be over to the right somewhere. But by the standards of Ancient Rome Caesar was left wing in many aspects, almost radically so. Redistribution of wealth and land, increasing the political voice of the poor, and using the state's income to fund public works that benefited the common citizens. Although he was a real patriot and a firm believer in his nation's superiority over others. This isn't necessarily what we associate with liberalism in the 21st century.
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