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I am offering facts. Do you dispute the validity anything that I wrote?
The territory in question was thinnly populated, the control over the lands by Mexico was much more of a claim than a reality. Isn't that true?
If it is your intention to launch some moral argument, then you should provide that moral argument. Your above contribution seems little more than a vague attitude.
Mexico had a strong presence in New Mexico, especially around Santa Fe, and along the Southern California Coast. They also did a lot of transient mining in Arizona and central Utah, all the way up to the Uintah Mountains, near the current Wyoming border. I've been to a couple of their mines, actually.
Mexico was here a lot more than any other "civilized" nation, that was for sure.
Mexico had a strong presence in New Mexico, especially around Santa Fe, and along the Southern California Coast. They also did a lot of transient mining in Arizona and central Utah, all the way up to the Uintah Mountains, near the current Wyoming border. I've been to a couple of their mines, actually.
Mexico was here a lot more than any other "civilized" nation, that was for sure.
I had already identified Santa Fe as the one substantial Mexican settlement.
As for California, "strong presence" would seem hyperbole. They had a tiny official establishments in Los Angeles and Monterey, settlements which received almost no instruction or assistance from the central Mexican government. The missions were largely abandoned and gone to decay by the start of the 19th Century.
The Mexican control of California was so weak that the takeover by the US was achieved without bloodshed in the Northern half of the state, and with very little bloodshed in the Southern half. It was hardly much more than simply showing up and announcing that the US was now in charge.
How you get "strong presence" from that will require an explanation from you.
I had already identified Santa Fe as the one substantial Mexican settlement.
As for California, "strong presence" would seem hyperbole. They had a tiny official establishments in Los Angeles and Monterey, settlements which received almost no instruction or assistance from the central Mexican government. The missions were largely abandoned and gone to decay by the start of the 19th Century.
The Mexican control of California was so weak that the takeover by the US was achieved without bloodshed in the Northern half of the state, and with very little bloodshed in the Southern half. It was hardly much more than simply showing up and announcing that the US was now in charge.
How you get "strong presence" from that will require an explanation from you.
All those missions are hyperbole?! You obviously didn't go to school in California. They seem to think they were a pretty big deal.
Sure it isn't much compared to today, but we are talking the first part of the 19th century here. They also weren't abandoned, they were confiscated at the end of the Mexican War. There is also a reason why place names in SoCal are in Spanish.
Sure it isn't much compared to today, but we are talking the first part of the 19th century here. They also weren't abandoned, they were confiscated at the end of the Mexican War. There is also a reason why place names in SoCal are in Spanish.
Did you even read the article you linked? It talks about how European brought diseases wiped out a huge percentage to the native populations.
BY the start of the 19th Century, the Russians were encroaching on Northern California, French privateers raided at will up and down the coast sacking what was left of the missions, Spain no longer had the money to assert much influence there, and after the Mexicans became independent, they failed to establish a government stable enough to cope with the far flung holdings. In the 1820's, the rush of American trappers and traders began arriving and the Mexican demographics began diminishing. In 1846, when the "Bear Flag" revolt took place, it did so without any sort of organized opposition from the Mexican government.
The situation was the antithesis of "strong presence", they were holding on by a shoestring and that shoestring was easily snapped by the first pressures applied by the United States.
There was a serious native american rebellion in New Mexico in the 1680's. While Spain later reconquered the state, it remained fairly weak. There was never a large population of European (or Mexican) settlers after that date.
As I recall, massive the presence of U.S illegal miners, trappers and rascals in general began during the 1850's and 1860's, during the Gold rush. They swept and destroyed California and expelled Californios out of their properties. They acted like gypsies, settling illegally in the land of Californios and using legal scams of a foreign invading country to expell rightfull owners.
The fact that the population was not large was not an excuse to invade a land that it's not yours. I would be like if the Chinese decided to invade Australia because "they only have 17 million people there". But the colonisation of California, Texas and Florida by a alien culture won't last.
I am offering facts. Do you dispute the validity anything that I wrote?
The territory in question was thinnly populated, the control over the lands by Mexico was much more of a claim than a reality. Isn't that true?
If it is your intention to launch some moral argument, then you should provide that moral argument. Your above contribution seems little more than a vague attitude.
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Texas and California were part of Mexico. They inherited those territories from Spain. No, it was not a claim and you perfectly know.
And the fact that those lands were thinly populated was no excuse to evacuate tons of illegals trappers, miners and scum as a fifth column of a new country lying thousand of miles away, a bunch of rascals totally demoted of any sense of decency, just criminals and low lifes. Just pure land grabbing supported by a new and barbaric country.
As I recall, massive the presence of U.S illegal miners, trappers and rascals in general began during the 1850's and 1860's, during the Gold rush. They swept and destroyed California and expelled Californios out of their properties. They acted like gypsies, settling illegally in the land of Californios and using legal scams of a foreign invading country to expell rightfull owners.
The fact that the population was not large was not an excuse to invade a land that it's not yours. I would be like if the Chinese decided to invade Australia because "they only have 17 million people there". But the colonisation of California, Texas and Florida by a alien culture won't last.
As you recall? You were there?
I wonder, how is that you do not recall that California belonged to the United States after 1848?
Texas and California were part of Mexico. They inherited those territories from Spain. No, it was not a claim and you perfectly know.
And the fact that those lands were thinly populated was no excuse to evacuate tons of illegals trappers, miners and scum as a fifth column of a new country lying thousand of miles away, a bunch of rascals totally demoted of any sense of decency, just criminals and low lifes. Just pure land grabbing supported by a new and barbaric country.
You seem very badly confused and I shall waste no time with such foolishness.
In the 1820's, the rush of American trappers and traders began arriving and the Mexican demographics began diminishing. In 1846, when the "Bear Flag" revolt took place, it did so without any sort of organized opposition from the Mexican government.
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The rush or invasion?
No organized opposition?
And the war of Californios against illegal settlers from the east (mostly criminals and scums)?
And yes, illegal settlers after the illegal independence.
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