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There were no tumbleweeds in the Old West. The plant we know as the tumbleweed was accidentally introduced into South Dakota in 1877, possibly in a load of flax-seed from the Ukraine, or possible from seeds imbedded in the wool if imported sheep.
So, the wagon trains, the pony express, the Indian wars, the early cattle drives, all took place without a single tumbleweed blowing across the plains.
In a panoramic view of the American West today, you would be able to identify almost nothing that was native and present when Europeans first started their move across the continent. Almost every plant species you would see was imported later, and crowded out the natives.
Thinking more about this, I recall driving across western Kansas with a farmer. We crossed a bridge over a small stream, with steep banks maybe 6 feet high. I remarked how difficult it must have been to get a wagon train across such a river. He explained that in those days, the rivers did not have steep banks. That is from erosion caused by overgrazing. 200 years ago, the rivers and streams of the great plains had gentle grassy slopes down to the water.
It occurred to me that what we see today, can give us no sense at all of what the world must have been like to people even in fairly recent history.
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I read somewhere that the Great Plains in the 1700's stretched from Wisconsin down to Northern Louisiana and across to Texas and up to Idaho with grass up to 6 ft tall blowing in the wind, and now the only native grasses are found in Yellowstone...
There are a few places where it is preserved and protected in Kansas, too. The state of Illinois is nick-named "The Prairie State"---for a good reason.
Here is a wonderful map that nicely illustrates how the continent has changed.
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While working for the Ohio Historical Society many years ago, I came across a text that read when the first white settlers arrived in the region, it was so heavily forested that a squirrel could travel from what would become Cleveland all the way to the area we know as Cincinnati without ever touching the ground. While I am sure there is a certain amount of exaggertion in this statement, there must some element of truth to it. It boggles the mind, considering how much of the state is now farmland. That's a heck of alot of trees to clear! And all done without the advantages of today's axe men!
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The white man giveth and the white man taketh away. While the paleface did indeed exterminate the horse culture of the Plains Indians, they had also created it by introducing the horse to America.
Here in eastern WA, we get so many tumbleweeds they pile up on the fences. I think Hanford has a crew that does nothing but safely burn the accumulated tumbleweeds in place. Eventually you get so many they provide a sort of ramp for others to roll across. They aren't something you'd want to pick up without gloves, either. Nasty, stickery things.
I wonder what kept wildfires under control? I guess they burned from one large river to the next.
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