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Old 10-31-2015, 09:25 AM
 
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This Tex-Mex soldier, killed during W.W. 2, was denied burial for years, by a Texas funeral home. His experience led to the founding of the "American G.I. Forum" hispanic veterans organization.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felix_Z._Longoria,_Jr.
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Old 11-29-2015, 06:56 AM
 
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This Tex-Mex soldier, killed during W.W. 2, was denied burial for years, by a Texas funeral home. His experience led to the founding of the "American G.I. Forum" hispanic veterans organization.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felix_Z._Longoria,_Jr.
The G.I forum was not a Hispanic organization. It was a Mexican veterans organization that publicly maintained that Mexicans were white. It didn't become Hispanic till after the 70s.

Anyway, Mexicans did face random discrimination like the above mentioned, but it was never legally institutionalized. There were no laws. In general things that were for whites only included mexicans.
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Old 11-29-2015, 07:34 AM
 
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This thread made me think of something else. How did Hispanics and Blacks get along before and during the Civil Rights movement, throughout the nation?
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Old 11-29-2015, 08:19 AM
 
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This thread made me think of something else. How did Hispanics and Blacks get along before and during the Civil Rights movement, throughout the nation?
Watch the Leander Perez video above and that should answer your question.

There was no concept of "hispanics" during the Civil rights movement. The people we are calling hispanics today were just various different nationalities of white race, who had the same opinion of blacks as whites in general.
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Old 11-29-2015, 09:20 AM
 
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Watch the Leander Perez video above and that should answer your question.

There was no concept of "hispanics" during the Civil rights movement. The people we are calling hispanics today were just various different nationalities of white race, who had the same opinion of blacks as whites in general.
Leander Perez is one person, and Louisiana is one state. I should have been more specific. I am also thinking in terms of Black/Puerto Rican relations in NYC, Black/Mexican-American relations in Texas,California,other places in the west, Black/Cuban relations in Florida,etc.
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Old 11-29-2015, 09:32 AM
 
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Black/Mexican-American relations in Texas,California,other places in the west, Black/Cuban relations in Florida,etc.
The south was segregated and "hispanics" lived in the white world. There was little contact between blacks and mexicans.
They were like any other white people.
You are not understanding. Mexicans could not legally marry blacks because they were white. They were not minorities.

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Old 11-29-2015, 11:08 AM
 
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This reminds me of when Langston Hughes said sometimes he would masquerade as Puerto Rican when he needed a break from being black. I took that as meaning he was treated somewhat better although his skin was black?
No you misunderstood him. Saying he was Puerto Rican was a way to escape discrimination, because they were not subjected to the humiliation that blacks were.

Other lighter skinned blacks say the same thing. If they told people they were "spanish", Puerto Rican or mexican, they would be allowed to sit. It was a way of passing for white.

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Old 11-29-2015, 06:38 PM
 
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No you misunderstood him. Saying he was Puerto Rican was a way to escape discrimination, because they were not subjected to the humiliation that blacks were.

Other lighter skinned blacks say the same thing. If they told people they were "spanish", Puerto Rican or mexican, they would be allowed to sit. It was a way of passing for white.
In the 1976 movie The Bingo Long Traveling All-Stars & Motor Kings about a baseball team loosely like the Harlem Globetrotters basketball team Richard Pryor plays Charlie Snow who tries to break the color barrier in Major League baseball by first trying to pass as Cuban and later as a Native American. Even if he was really Cuban given the way things were looked at the time he still would have been Black as the many Puerto Rican draftees were sent to the segregated "colored" then Negro US Army units prior to 1947 if they didn't pass the induction officers informal paper bag test. If someone was Hispanic/Latino, Native American or Asian except Japanese, they were in the general manpower pool and only those known to be Japanese or Negro, including those who looked Black, were segregated.
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Old 05-03-2016, 05:30 PM
 
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Tritone, I find it really weird that a guy with a name like Pérez could've been a member of a racist group or a supporter of segregation. How could they have let in someone with such a name into their club of racists? It's possible that his family married so many white people over the years, to the point where they probably tried to hide their surname or pronounce it in a completely different manner. Perhaps Leander's original name was Leandro Perez, but because of bullying and abuse by the whites, young Leandro changed it to "Leander". Who knows? Maybe he could've even been thinking of changing it completely to something along the lines of, say, Leander Pearsonor, if that did not suit him, Leander Pierce. Maybe his racism was the result of being bullied so much by the white kids growing up, that the only way he could cope was by being even more racist than usual. I saw the video, by the way. Interesting. Other possibility is that whoever his first ancestor was, he looked Spanish enough to the point where he or she was discriminated, and they married whites, and they were in the USA for so long, that they forgot their Spanish roots. It happens, you know. Did you know they had a segregated Hispanic group in the army at one point? Look it up.
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Old 05-03-2016, 08:03 PM
 
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Tritone, I find it really weird that a guy with a name like Pérez could've been a member of a racist group or a supporter of segregation. How could they have let in someone with such a name into their club of racists? It's possible that his family married so many white people over the years, to the point where they probably tried to hide their surname or pronounce it in a completely different manner. Perhaps Leander's original name was Leandro Perez, but because of bullying and abuse by the whites, young Leandro changed it to "Leander". Who knows? Maybe he could've even been thinking of changing it completely to something along the lines of, say, Leander Pearsonor, if that did not suit him, Leander Pierce. Maybe his racism was the result of being bullied so much by the white kids growing up, that the only way he could cope was by being even more racist than usual. I saw the video, by the way. Interesting. Other possibility is that whoever his first ancestor was, he looked Spanish enough to the point where he or she was discriminated, and they married whites, and they were in the USA for so long, that they forgot their Spanish roots. It happens, you know. Did you know they had a segregated Hispanic group in the army at one point? Look it up.
If you are talking about the 65th Infantry Regiment of the Puerto Rican National Guard they were not segregated as in all Hispanics were sent there and not to the general replacement pool like everybody but Blacks and Japanese (1942 to 1945) were so White soldiers would not have to serve next to them like the segregation of Colored Regiments. However being Puerto Rican it did have a percentage of "Colored" meaning Black soldiers and operated speaking Spanish which keep them segregated not that they Hispanic as if it were a distinct race portion. And the Regiment was open for volunteers from other Spanish speakers outside of Puerto Rico from "Colored" to Mexicans to Filipinos over its life when activated for wars.

If you are talking about the War Between The States then like an island National Guard unit is raised locally in the war companies were raised locality by both sides armies and then a state Governor sent them to join the army. There wasn't a Fort Benning where everybody went and then got sent out to units all over so if a local town raised a company of Hispanics they remained a company as they joined the parent regiment normally known by a state and number. Again the intent was not to keep the White soldiers away from Hispanics as with "colored" meaning Black troops and from 1942 to 1945 Japanese.
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