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Old 11-13-2009, 06:44 PM
 
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Lester Maddox and the States Rights Party were the last time this stupidity raised it's head. States Rights usually mean that some states want to deprive someone of their rights. The NeoConfederacy sometimes needs to be reminded that Secession is Treason and Secessionist are Traitors
What part of the constitution have you not read The states entered the empire of free will they can with draw the same way . Look at the only thing the Fed Gov is really to be able to do .
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Old 11-13-2009, 07:47 PM
 
Location: Sierra Vista, AZ
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What part of the constitution have you not read The states entered the empire of free will they can with draw the same way . Look at the only thing the Fed Gov is really to be able to do .
The 14th Amendment and subsiquent Supreme Court Rulings that Secession is Treason in fact a Public Official advocating secession is a Traitor

No more Mr Nice Guy

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Old 11-13-2009, 08:08 PM
 
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Just looked it up on line my copy don't say that or have you got a copy of O 's newer one .

Also read the tenth amendment .
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Old 11-13-2009, 08:34 PM
 
Location: Aloverton
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The 14th Amendment and subsiquent Supreme Court Rulings that Secession is Treason in fact a Public Official advocating secession is a Traitor

No more Mr Nice Guy
Ratified on 28 July 1868. Now if memory serves, the South seceded in 1861, which would mean that it was not easy for them to abide by the 14th Amendment if it wasn't yet enacted. But it's a moot point. The full text of the 14th Amendment:

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1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.


2. Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice-President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the Executive and Judicial officers of a State, or the members of the Legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such State.


3. No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.


4. The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any State shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.


5. The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.
I do not find in this text what you are saying. I find that it essentially establishes who is a citizen (though they weren't really serious about the equal rights stuff for blacks or women at the time), then lays out clauses limiting the political roles of anyone who engaged in rebellion, and generally slaps them around a bit.
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Old 11-15-2009, 03:10 PM
 
Location: Islip Township
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J K K nice post very factual
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Old 11-15-2009, 03:14 PM
 
Location: Islip Township
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Just for fun
Whos said this

"Fore we are of the same Red ,White and Blue. You are Liberty, I am Freedom. Together Our Stars with your stripes and my Bars are Invincable."
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Old 11-15-2009, 04:47 PM
 
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Wild guess #1...Paton
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Old 11-15-2009, 04:48 PM
 
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The 14th Amendment and subsiquent Supreme Court Rulings that Secession is Treason in fact a Public Official advocating secession is a Traitor

No more Mr Nice Guy
Ya'll planning on torching Mont Pelier when Vermont secedes?
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Old 11-15-2009, 07:10 PM
 
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Ratified on 28 July 1868. Now if memory serves, the South seceded in 1861, which would mean that it was not easy for them to abide by the 14th Amendment if it wasn't yet enacted. But it's a moot point. The full text of the 14th Amendment:



I do not find in this text what you are saying. I find that it essentially establishes who is a citizen (though they weren't really serious about the equal rights stuff for blacks or women at the time), then lays out clauses limiting the political roles of anyone who engaged in rebellion, and generally slaps them around a bit.
There is a subsiquent Supreme Court Ruling which interpreted the 14th Amendment as prohibiting Secession and making it Treason for a Government Official to advocate Secession. When I get a chance I'll look it up, even better you could. It was shortly after the civil War, around 1870.
So the sooner we get about it, the sooner we can start jailing traitors


Yes, it did-- after the war. Perhaps the clearest statement is in
the case Texas v. White (74 U.S. 700). Chief Justice Chase, writing
for the court in its 1869 decision, said:

"The Constitution, in all its provisions, looks to an indestructible
Union, composed of indestructible States. ... Considered, therefore, as
transactions under the Constitution, the Ordinance of Secession, adopted
by the convention and ratified by a majority of the citizens of Texas, and
all the Acts of her Legislature intended to give effect to that ordinance,
were absolutely null. They were utterly without operation in law. ... Our
conclusion, therefore, is, that Texas continued to be a State, and a State
of the Union, notwithstanding the transactions to which we have referred."

The entire decision is available on the Web at
http://supct.law.cornell.edu/supct/cases/historic.htm
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Old 11-15-2009, 08:02 PM
 
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Most libs and or nuts in DC tossed the constitution long ago . Most don't even know what the first three words of it are ???

At present Texas has a movement in the working some more states have notified DC of their intent under the 10 amendment . Don't think the court can rewrite the constitution as much as it tries at times Abe tossed it once an now O is tromping it fauther down History repeating . If Texas makes the break there will be a flood of Southern folks moving there .Save your Confederate money boys it is already worth more than the dollar
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