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Old 03-02-2010, 11:13 AM
 
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Hello, I'm doing a little powerpoint project on the Spetsnaz and I could not turn up any info on their origins, tis' be wonderful if somebody could help me out.
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Old 03-02-2010, 11:36 AM
 
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The military channel had a special on them last week. It might be repeated. They grew out of Soviet operations in the second world war, notably units engaged in irregular warfare and reconisance - a role they kept throughout the existence of the Soviet Union. It can be confusing to discuss them because they are not one specific group like say the Green Beret and Rangers. Instead the term is used to describe a wide range of Russian special forces who care out various tasks for various intelligence and military units.

Spetsnaz - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

They were a state secret for most of the Cold War, what is known of them largely came out after the fall of the Soviet State. Here is a very brief discussion of their "origin."

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During World War II reconnaissance and diversionary forces were formed under the supervision of the Second Department of the General Staff. These forces were subordinate to the commanders of Fronts.[1] The situation was reviewed after the war ended, and between 1947 and 1950 the whole of the GRU was reorganised. The first 'independent reconnaissance companies of special purpose' were formed in 1949, to work for tank and combined-arms armies. In 1957, the first Spetsnaz battalions were formed, five to eliminate enemy nuclear weapons systems such as MGR-3 Little John and MGM-1 Matador. The first brigades were formed in 1962, reportedly to reach up to 750 kilometres in the rear to destroy U.S. weapons systems such as the MGM-52 Lance, MGM-29 Sergeant, and MGM-31 Pershing. Two 'study regiments' were established in the 1960s to train specialists and NCOs, the first in 1968 at Pechora near Pskov, and the second in 1970 at Chirchik near Tashkent.
Spetsnaz GRU - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Again be careful when talking about Spetnaz what you are talking about as there are many different types. What most Americans probably think of as this group is the special military units run by the GRU, but there are many others.
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Old 05-29-2012, 09:59 PM
 
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Spetsnaz (Special purpose) ie the people of the special appointment. In Russia there are tens and hundreds of different units, (many of them are simply classified and about which little is known. The GRU is wired control. (not a Naz) but in it as there were a group of special assignment. All of them have different sphere of activity, but these high class people.(war) With special weapons (not having analogues in the world) such as the divers warrior submarine submachine guns and pistols
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Old 05-30-2012, 10:01 AM
 
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Building on what GreyKarast said, the Spetsnaz is pretty much analogous to what the US would call "Special Forces" e.g. Delta Force, Green Berets, Navy Seals, etc. Today, the US Special Forces operate under a system similar to what the Spetsnaz did through USSOCOM - United States Special Operations COMmand. This group oversees the operations of all special forces in the US and allows them to operate in a combined capacity. There are units from the Army, Navy, Marines and Air Force each with unique mission specific tasking, equipment and training that fill multiple roles.

United States Special Operations Command - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 05-31-2012, 12:51 AM
 
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Building on what GreyKarast said, the Spetsnaz is pretty much analogous to what the US would call "Special Forces" e.g. Delta Force, Green Berets, Navy Seals, etc. Today, the US Special Forces operate under a system similar to what the Spetsnaz did through USSOCOM - United States Special Operations COMmand. This group oversees the operations of all special forces in the US and allows them to operate in a combined capacity. There are units from the Army, Navy, Marines and Air Force each with unique mission specific tasking, equipment and training that fill multiple roles.

United States Special Operations Command - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
You are incorrect. Special forces are only US Army green berets (1st special forces group). Rangers, Seals, Delta, etc. are all special operations troops not Special Forces.
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Old 05-31-2012, 11:37 AM
 
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You are incorrect. Special forces are only US Army green berets (1st special forces group). Rangers, Seals, Delta, etc. are all special operations troops not Special Forces.
Little bit of a semantical argument don't you think? The US Army Green Berets are called "Special Forces", but they are part of the "Special Operations Group". There are other units that are part of the "Special Operations Group", but they are not called "Special Forces". FWIW, while the military certainly makes a distinction, the term "Special Forces" and "Special Operations" are used pretty interchangeably by most.
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Old 05-31-2012, 05:18 PM
 
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Little bit of a semantical argument don't you think? The US Army Green Berets are called "Special Forces", but they are part of the "Special Operations Group". There are other units that are part of the "Special Operations Group", but they are not called "Special Forces". FWIW, while the military certainly makes a distinction, the term "Special Forces" and "Special Operations" are used pretty interchangeably by most.
I wasn’t trying to make an argument just clarify a term that is used incorrectly all the time by people who don’t know how the US classifies special operations.
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Old 06-12-2012, 06:01 PM
 
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Building on what GreyKarast said, the Spetsnaz is pretty much analogous to what the US would call "Special Forces" e.g. Delta Force, Green Berets, Navy Seals, etc. Today, the US Special Forces operate under a system similar to what the Spetsnaz did through USSOCOM - United States Special Operations COMmand. This group oversees the operations of all special forces in the US and allows them to operate in a combined capacity. There are units from the Army, Navy, Marines and Air Force each with unique mission specific tasking, equipment and training that fill multiple roles.

United States Special Operations Command - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Yes, you understood correctly spetsnaz it's just the two Russian words in a condensed form combined. if individually-a Special Purpose. Yes You're in the police SWAT or fur seals. In Russia S/P it is specialized people are people very well-trained and wide profile, though some групппы designed for specific tasks.
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Old 06-12-2012, 06:12 PM
 
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Some of the group prepared for the overthrow of governments, fire support or intelligence . an example of such a group, ALFA They ousted the governments of many countries, and in this or who оних did not know until they are issued Yeltsin. America starts a war маштабно to get a particular purpose, in the USSR, this was quite the same group. It saves money, weapons and stealth. There are a lot of divisions of which is simply not known. Russian underwater деверсанты learn from 7-8 years and continue to learn the rest of life(Elite forces of the Russian spetsnaz GRU "Dolphin"), regular tests, trainings and etc. For many people, the question often arises - what special forces are the best in the world? On the one hand, it is impossible to give an unequivocal answer, because the actions of special units cannot be measured by any rating. On the other - a kind of way to assess still exists, and according to him, the Russian «alpha» is the best in the world.

The confirmation of this is held in the United States 29-th tournament Super SWAT International Round-Up. The open championship of the world among police units. And in 2011 at him for the first time the team came from the Russian group «Alfa», that was already some kind of a sensation. The team was eleven people, including two snipers.

An even greater sensation became the conquered space. The fighters of the group «alpha» were first and second in the Super SWATу, silver in the «Remington super sniper». And the title of «Best international group».The competitions were announced by seventy-two commands, in addition to the finish reached only fifty-nine. Someone has been disqualified, the other for the most part left for yourself - very large claims to have been to an American judge. Competitors frankly засуживали(for reduced)And this speaks one of the episodes of the competition.

The exercise, which will be referred to - «the Salvation of the injured employee SWATа». According to him, the sniper and four men ran to траверсу, over the water overcome the obstacle, then wall or pipe, and at the end of wearing self-contained breathing apparatus should have opened fire from automatic weapons by a paper target. After that, all over again, only shooting at this time is the metal circles. After this command reaches the set of the zone, where «the wounded man» should be evacuated to a place overcome water obstacles. After that, almost all of the same exercises repeats the sniper. Only shooting is conducted from a sniper rifle on a little white plates.

In the first exercise, soldiers of alpha proof sued, adding them a penalty time. After that the head of the team of specially picked up my camera and camcorder and shot all of them slain target. While in the end it was shown one of the best - 3 minutes 40 seconds. However, when announcing the final results, it turned out that the «alpha» added just four penalty minutes. However, all attempts to obtain justice were rejected. The organizers said that according to the results of competitions, photo and video documentation is not proof. The decision can only be issued by the judges.

Faced with this attitude the head of the team asked me to bring the affected target, in that it was answered that they destroyed.

The team reached the relationship with the leadership in Moscow, to which they said straight out - pack your bags and go away. But then the soldiers of alpha decided to stay out of principle - a group not a quitter. Thus it was necessary to not only win, but also to make everything perfect, to the organizers it was not possible bias the results.

The next to perform was an exercise for the title of Champion in the Super SWATу. The main there was running. In full battle gear it was necessary to run a mile, with the obligatory across water obstacles and obstacle courses. Then the line of fire - shooting from any kind of weapons. Then the party runs the second mile, at the end of which again shooting. Then the third mile, with a water obstacle and an obstacle course. At the end of her shooting from machine-guns.

From the very beginning the job four fighter «alpha», which were nominated for this exercise, ask a fantastic pace and left in isolation. And when they finished, no one could believe it. Guys had time to embrace, and photographed, and wash and change clothes, after which only the finish began to come the other participants.

After this, the natural bargaining. The organizers tried all means to persuade our fighters, so they gave the first place American. Then wanted to retroactively enter the two age groups. But in the end the truth triumphed.

Brazilian party, which was to become the second, in the end, was the third. He was very upset and said that the more for these competitions he ride will not be. Were dissatisfied, and the soldiers of the Hungarian team, which participates in this competition for ten years.

On the solemn ceremony of honoring our soldiers, who became the world champion handed a certificate for the right to free receipt of «Glock» any model. You can do this was in any store weapons. And again, a foreigner weapons to sell in the store was prohibited, just as it should not be taken out of the country. So why were these gestures?

Fighters of the group «alpha» at the last world championship showed their skill, courage and the will to victory. Alas, none of the official TV channel of Russia is not informed about it. And it is in vain! The country should know its heroes!

The Soviet army units of spetsnaz (reconnaissance-sabotage, anti-sabotage teams and groups) have always been interested in the West. And many foreign intelligence services would have given in due time for the information about the special formations of the Union Navy. These military-naval units were specially classified.

For the beginning it is worth noting that the training, tactics, equipment and armament of naval spetsnaz Union were greater than the NATO countries. In addition, in the seventies of the last century our saboteurs embroiled in the fighting in Egypt, Angola, Nicaragua, Vietnam, Ethiopia, Mozambique, what the country's leadership preferred to keep quiet.

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Old 06-13-2012, 05:24 AM
 
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Here is a badge of some units of the special forces
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