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Funny, you refer to the Jews as the "rightful owners" not renters, and your post doesn't mention a word about taxes or rents, just who "use[s] the land more effectively."
Sorry for the confusion, but the Jews are the rightful renters as long as they use the land more effectively as anyone else who desires it.
I don't deal in catch phrase, especially those which mean anything and everything depending on those who choose disingenuousness over intellectual honesty. So, I'm not jumping down the rabbit hole of sovereignty. I'll save that for Politics and other Controversies.
?I don't know what the rest of the post is supposed to mean.
?I don't know what the rest of the post is supposed to mean.
As Jules Winfield would say, "then allow me to clarify."
I wrote:
"I don't deal in catch phrase," i.e., "idea of national sovereignty". Now what is meant by national sovereignty,
The supreme, absolute, and uncontrollable power by which an independent state is governed and from which all specific political powers are derived; the intentional independence of a state, combined with the right and power of regulating its internal affairs without foreign interference.
or some other convoluted reference to natural law? Who knows because you certainly didn't take the time to give any specificity to the suggestion. So absent any expository explanation I continued with,
especially those which mean anything and everything depending on those who choose disingenuousness over intellectual honesty.
Which prior to your "clarification" referred to the Jews as owners after referring to the Palestinians as renters.
Which leaves us with what should be self apparent:
So, I'm not jumping down the rabbit hole of sovereignty. I'll save that for Politics and other Controversies.
?I don't know what the rest of the post is supposed to mean.
Sorry for the confusion, but the Jews are the rightful renters as long as they use the land more effectively as anyone else who desires it.
So who gets to decide what is more effective, and by what standard? The usurper or the present owner/renter. Is it more "effective" to despoil the land with more buildings, factories, strip mines, nuclear waste dumps, eradication of native flora and fauna, or to shepherd the land in such a way that it meets the needs of its inhabitants?
Like I stated before, I haven't read such an arrogant disassembly of the rights of indigenous people since the utterance of Manifest Destiny and the 19th century rights of European imperialist.
There are quite a number of DNA studies of Jews and Palestinians. What is clear is that both Palestians and Jews come from the same indigenous population group. The Palestinians demonstrate an admixture of additional Arabic traits; whereas the Jews, whose forbears were not resident in Palestine at the time of the Arab conquest, show other admixtures on top of the indigenous base, Turkic, etc.
2. The Arabs allied with the Nazis during WW2.
Arabs? Who are you talking about, Palestinians?
There was no agreement among the Palestinians as to which side to support in WW 2. Some leaders, thought an Axis victory would end Jewish colonization of Palestine, and supported the Axis. The most prominent of these was the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, who spent WW 2 in Germany and Bosnia. Other Palestinians were not inclined to trust the Axis, and 6,000 Palestinians volunteered to serve in the British forces. Most were inclined to just sit still and wait it out.
3. They lost this territory as war reparations when the Germans surrendered.
Total fantasy. Palestine was never part of any "war reparations."
The British were broke and unable to maintain their forces in what would clearly be an increasingly fractious Palestine at the end of WW2; furthermore, the British public was sick to death of any more of their men and women dying. The British govt asked the U.N. to take over and decide what to do with the old British Palestine Mandate. Many Europeans were anxious to offload their Jewish refugees there, and the Americans for several reasons supported the settlement of Jewish refugees there too. The U.N. decided to partion Palestine into Jewish and Palestinian states with a common economic base, and to keep Jerusalem as in international city. This was in the interests of the Europeans and Americans and was easily voted in.
4. The land was granted to the Jews.
As above, Palestine Mandate was divided into separate areas for Palestinians and for the Jewish minority and a massive influx of European Jewish settlers.
There are actually many Arabs who are Jewish since ancient times. In fact, there are even Palestinean Jews. Some Palestinean Jews still remain in Palestine to this day.
I say because the Jews use the land more effectively than the Palestinians, they are the rightful owners of it. They have created a first world economy out of a less than first world piece of land. It doesn't matter if you were born in some land, it matters what you do with it. And because the Palestinians have not done much with the land, the Jews have justification in kicking them out.
No that's only because the USA established Israel and is feeding it a lot of money.
Israel does too often rise to the bait and over-react to Palestinian provocation,but those who use slogans such as 'apartheid state' need to think again.
In 1946 there were nearly one million Jews in Arab countries,today there are fewer than 25,000.
Meanwhile the Arab population in Israel has grown steadily to around 1.5million, about 20 per cent of the population,a quarter of who vote for Zionistic political parties. Seventeen of the 120 members of the Knesset (the Israeli parliment) are Arabs. The new Israeli Ambassador to Norway is Arab.
By all accounts it is not always easy being an Arab in Israel,but most of them are ensured of greater rights and freedoms there than in most of the Islamic states in the Middle East
There are more than 25,000 Jews today living in Arab countries. There are hundreds of thousands of Jews in Arab countries.
It was Israelis that airlifted the Arab Jews to Israel because they wanted to have more numbers and bolstered populations to help promote and support an anti Arab stance. It was all part of political semantics. Many Arab Jews didn't like having to choose between Arabness and Jewishness but USA and other superpowers were trying to divide and conquer. Also the sense of Jewishness that existed pre 1948 is not the same as the semantics of Jewishness and Israel post 1948.
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