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Old 07-09-2010, 08:11 AM
 
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Basques are said to be genetically superior... High IQ levels, excellent warriors and hunters, and that's why the Basque country was never invaded/conquered.

Simon Bolivar is the most obvious example of a new worlder Americano of Basque ancestry. He liberated 5 American countries.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simón_...Bolivar_family
Yeah but then there's the Basque Iturbide I who tried to impose an empire on Mexico and one year later he was deposed and later executed
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Old 07-09-2010, 01:33 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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as for their genetics the males carry some of the highest of the western euro haplogrouping R1b although the females are high in mt DNA Haplogroup V which is considered ancient (paleo) and are similar to the paleo Sami females.
Sami - is that the Finns? I've long suspected that the Finns are the descendents of the pre-Indo-European inhabitants of the forested areas of northern Europe and the British Isles.
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Old 07-09-2010, 01:43 PM
 
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Mostly when I think of the Basque I think, "Damn they are good climbers!"

Euskaltel-Euskadi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

One of my favorite teams.

(Sorry, I have Tour-fever at the moment. )
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Old 07-09-2010, 05:18 PM
 
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Sami - is that the Finns? I've long suspected that the Finns are the descendents of the pre-Indo-European inhabitants of the forested areas of northern Europe and the British Isles.
Well the Sami's and the Basques are not related paternally however you possibly may be correct about the Sami females inhabiting parts of northern Europe since their paleo ancestors some 8,000 years or farther back
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Old 07-09-2010, 07:35 PM
 
Location: Everywhere and Nowhere
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If you're a huge carnivore like I am you'll be quite fond of Basque cuisine. Great Basque restaurants in the Central Valley of California and in Reno, NV (shout out to Louis', home of the best Picon Punch West of the Pecos).
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Old 07-10-2010, 10:50 AM
 
Location: Miami / Florida / U.S.A.
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The basque country has 9% unemployment rate (northern Spain) while the rest of Spain has over 19% unemployment.

Also, basque Spanish make the highest salaries and are the most industrialized.

More than 3/4 of the basque population is O rh Negative.

The Basque Autonomous Community is currently the wealthiest region in Spain, with gross domestic product (GDP) per capita being 40% higher than that of the European Union and 33.8% higher than Spain's average in 2008, at €31,110 EUR ($43,500 USD as of 2009).
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Old 07-10-2010, 02:52 PM
 
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Well their linguistics don't really match up with any world region (language isolate) from my understanding and as for their genetics the males carry some of the highest of the western euro haplogrouping R1b although the females are high in mt DNA Haplogroup V which is considered ancient (paleo) and are similar to the paleo Sami females.

Again just my thought and theory that the migrating males R1b migrated with no females into Iberia and intergrated with the paleo females. The big mystery is what happened to the paleo basque males there?? Hmm ....
I'm guessing those genetics come from modern Basques.

The problem with relaying on one line of inquiry, especially genetics of modern peoples, is the assumption there was no demographic shifts among the Basques throughout time.

This is where physical anthropology and archaeology come in because they can trace population affinity through time.
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Old 07-11-2010, 04:30 AM
 
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The basque country has 9% unemployment rate (northern Spain) while the rest of Spain has over 19% unemployment.

Also, basque Spanish make the highest salaries and are the most industrialized.

More than 3/4 of the basque population is O rh Negative.

The Basque Autonomous Community is currently the wealthiest region in Spain, with gross domestic product (GDP) per capita being 40% higher than that of the European Union and 33.8% higher than Spain's average in 2008, at €31,110 EUR ($43,500 USD as of 2009).
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Yes, but they also have the "Concierto Fiscal".

They don't pay taxes to the Central Government.

The wealthiest regions in Spain are the Autonomous Community of Madrid and Catalonia, but those two are forced to pay very, very large amounts of money to the Central Government for "solidarity", so regions like Extremadura or Andalusia can live well above the standards they deserve.
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Old 07-11-2010, 04:40 AM
 
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Well their linguistics don't really match up with any world region (language isolate) from my understanding and as for their genetics the males carry some of the highest of the western euro haplogrouping R1b although the females are high in mt DNA Haplogroup V which is considered ancient (paleo) and are similar to the paleo Sami females.

Again just my thought and theory that the migrating males R1b migrated with no females into Iberia and intergrated with the paleo females. The big mystery is what happened to the paleo basque males there?? Hmm ....
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Basque are inbred Iberians. Their language is modern Iberian, ancient Iberian was also a Isolate.

Vascones were an Iberian tribe, some say partially adscribed to the Celtic culture. They were beaten by the Romans and expelled to Navarre (where the real Basques live).

The current inhabitants of the Basque Country are not "Ethnic Basques", the Romans settled the area with two Celtic tribes that became culturally Basque by diffusion, Vardulos and Caristios.

As to their singularity, just poppicock. Spain is packed with remote valleys with peculiar populations of inbreds, but of course, they don't have a harbour, iron ore and coal.
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Old 07-11-2010, 09:55 AM
 
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I'm guessing those genetics come from modern Basques.

The problem with relaying on one line of inquiry, especially genetics of modern peoples, is the assumption there was no demographic shifts among the Basques throughout time.

This is where physical anthropology and archaeology come in because they can trace population affinity through time.
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Modern basques are different from ancient basques described by Romans.

The tribe known as Basques, not different from other Northen Spanish tribes, were crushed by the Romans and deported to the south, to Navarre.

Vasconia was settled by two Celt tribes that assimilated the Basque language, Vardulae and Caristiae.


Their language was the language spoken in most of non-Celtic Spain, Iberian, Northern Iberian. A non-Indoeuropean language and a language isolate that has yet to be "cracked".

All the big fuzz about "Basquism" is new, they were always loyal Castillian subjects and were known for having many children and being poor as rats. During the last part of the XIXth Century, the Basque country became very rich because of the iron ore, foundry, coal and proximity to England and this brought all their "romantic nationalism".
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