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With today's ignorance on slavery and racism only escalating, I thought I'd share some scholarly information.
Slavery was a business, in place thousands of years before the United States existed. It can be seen in the Bible, and in U.S. History school books. The problem is, schoolbooks are a little emotional about the subject of racism and slavery being intertwined. First and foremost, this is the ONLY way racism and slavery can be intertwined:
Those who are racist, may want blacks dead, but they also may want blacks to return to slavery.
At the time of United States slavery, and long before, slavery was a business, nothing more. African tribes who conqured smaller tribes sold their new tribes in the slave trade. Europeans, other tribes, and Americans bought the slaves. It wasnt because they were black. It was because it was economical to make a one time purchase for free labor. If slavery were based on racism, then every black would have been a slave, rather than freed blacks like William Ellison, of South Carolina, who was one of the biggest slave owners in the pre-Civil War era. The point is, get your facts straight before you mouth off. You can relate racism to the Civil Rights movement, not the Civil War.
Africans were sold by Africans to Americans. It was about money, not race. Slaves werent seen as anything other than property to owners. It was the abolitionists who pushed the "slaves are people too" scene.
I get it. That all of the slaves in America were black, and none of the slaves were white, that was just a big coincidence and in no manner based on racial identiy.
You seem the sort who requires the most simple possible explanation of your primary error here. It is your failure recognize that the above...that all of the American slaves were black and none of the slaves were white...itells us a great deal more about the nature of American slavery than does "Some of the blacks were not slaves" which appears to be the basis of your thesis.
That slavery elsewhere and in different times was based on more than racial identity, in no manner serves to prove that American slavery was not race based.
It was.
Obviously so.
Well, apparently not so obviously to you, but here is your chance to learn.
How can you define slavery on racism?
Racism is a hate of one group. If African tribes were conquered and sold as slaves, why is that racism? Is it racism that illegal immigrants in American are paid lower wages that what whites and blacks are willing to work for?
Think about what you are saying....If you are a leader of a nation...province...whatever...and you want to enslave people to work for you, are you going to choose a group of people based on their race or based on how well they will work, price, and accessibility. Native Americans were enslaved long before African slaves came to the colonies. They began to die off due to European disease and the colonists were forced to trade African slaves.
Is it still racism when African tribes took over other tribes and enslaved them or is it just when whites (and blacks) got involved?
You seem to see the subject in terms of today. I dont agree that slavery was right in any way. We learned from our mistakes. I just dont think the correlation is strong enough to state that slavery was based on anything other than economics...
whats the best form of work for an employer? free work...
You are accepting only part of the story of slavery in the United States....it had to exist elsewhere for it to prosper here. The slaves didnt pop out of thin air. They came from Africa. So YES - slavery elsewhere and in different times IS based on more than racial identity, AND IN EVERY manner serves to prove that American slavery was not race based.
dear op
i dont know anybody that wants poor urban AA dead except other AA's on the hood.
i certainly dont know any anglos that want to go into the slave trade, but i know alota brothers that sell white and black flesh on the stroll 24/7.
Grandstander, your statements imply that racial hate groups existed during the time of slavery. Do you believe that the KKK imposed and promoted slavery during the pre-Civil War era? If so, youre wrong. Racist groups didnt spawn until after the slaves were freed and the war was over. The KKK was formed under the supervision of Confederate General Nathan Bedford Forest and was originally intended as a Confederate rebellion group, then it became somewhat of a pro-slavery political party. This is the first hint of racism. It wasnt until blacks gained the right to vote that the KKK began its violent acts against them. So how do you support your theory with fact?
I get it. That all of the slaves in America were black, and none of the slaves were white, that was just a big coincidence and in no manner based on racial identiy.
You seem the sort who requires the most simple possible explanation of your primary error here. It is your failure recognize that the above...that all of the American slaves were black and none of the slaves were white...itells us a great deal more about the nature of American slavery than does "Some of the blacks were not slaves" which appears to be the basis of your thesis.
That slavery elsewhere and in different times was based on more than racial identity, in no manner serves to prove that American slavery was not race based.
It was.
Obviously so.
Well, apparently not so obviously to you, but here is your chance to learn.
While I'm not disagreeing that slavery in the US was obviously race-based for the most part, it's not actually true that all slaves were black. Native American and yes, even white slaves DID exist. And there was a topic on this forum not long ago about black slave owners too.
You are accepting only part of the story of slavery in the United States....it had to exist elsewhere for it to prosper here. The slaves didnt pop out of thin air. They came from Africa. So YES - slavery elsewhere and in different times IS based on more than racial identity, AND IN EVERY manner serves to prove that American slavery was not race based.
Hate to burst your bubble, but racism as we know it in America was invented to support African slavery. Just as you can trace the history of man owning man to before Christ, you can trace the invention of specific African race slurs, miscegenation laws, and pseudo-scientific studies of "inferior" African traits to the burgeoning American dependence on wage-less workers, African slaves in particular.
A large part of the reason that the issue of slavery is so hot-button is because there are still Americans that buy into the historical propaganda against Africans. Misinformation by design that enabled a mainstream acceptance of slavery, despite christian views on mistreatment of other human beings.
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