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As of yesterday... There are over 7,000 full-season tickets reserved in Las Vegas... Many of which are multiple-year commitments. At this time, partial-season packs are not available.
That is without even knowing if a team will be awarded to the city.
I find it to be a very impressive start considering this city is a 24-hour town and many people cannot commit to a full season due to odd shifts... Partial season packs will do very well in Vegas... Something in the range of 10-12 game packs.
But what will really shine is single-game tickets. This is where you will see the LV residents who have moved here from existing hockey markets cheering on their hometown team... Of course, this makes for a bad home ice advantage, but the arena will be full nonetheless.
Add in the Vegas fans who pop in for a handful of games per season as well as the tourists watching their team while they're on vacation and you have a full arena.
7,000 tickets already exceeds what some teams have as far as full-season ticket holders go.
But what will really shine is single-game tickets. This is where you will see the LV residents who have moved here from existing hockey markets cheering on their hometown team... Of course, this makes for a bad home ice advantage, but the arena will be full nonetheless.
Why do you think Las Vegas will be such a success with transplants and locals? Using this logic the Coyotes and Panthers should have no problems selling tickets and selling out night after night. Metro Phoenix has a high population of transplants from the Midwest and Canada. It's great when the Red Wings, Blackhawks, Jets and Oilers are in town but that's about it.
Why do you think Las Vegas will be such a success with transplants and locals? Using this logic the Coyotes and Panthers should have no problems selling tickets and selling out night after night. Metro Phoenix has a high population of transplants from the Midwest and Canada. It's great when the Red Wings, Blackhawks, Jets and Oilers are in town but that's about it.
Why wouldn't a Vegas team be a success? I'd like to see all of these teams get NHL, Seattle and Vegas would do well especially. I guess Portland has given up on getting a team.
Seattle is not getting an arena deal without the acquisition of an NBA franchise as well... The city has already stated no arena is going up for NHL alone.
Vegas on the other hand is building an arena with private funding without the guarantee of an NHL team.
Some cities want to get the job done, others don't.
when it comes to sharing the same Pacific time zone (PST) it sure beats having to overcome jet lag flying out to Florida to play Tampa Bay or the Panthers dealing with the humidity and a early start for the visiting team.
Why do you think Las Vegas will be such a success with transplants and locals? Using this logic the Coyotes and Panthers should have no problems selling tickets and selling out night after night. Metro Phoenix has a high population of transplants from the Midwest and Canada. It's great when the Red Wings, Blackhawks, Jets and Oilers are in town but that's about it.
I really don't understand why people are still trying to compare Las Vegas to any other city... Well I do, it's because the people that try comparing Vegas with someplace else has clearly never lived here.
So...
The reason I think Vegas will have great success selling individual game tickets and small season packs is because LV is a true 24-hour town. So many people here work odd hours, so committing to a full season is impossible. However, many people here have interest in attending games when it works for their schedule.
Keep in mind:
They have over 7,000 people committed to a full season already. Many of those are for multiple-year commitments. That is already better than some NHL franchises.
This is with no guarantee of a team even being granted to Las Vegas... Which makes it a completely different situation from Winnipeg, where they KNEW a team was coming... A team that had been taken away from the city years earlier. Their arena (only 15k capacity compared to LV's 17.5k) sold out in minutes... Rightfully so.
The NHL also faces STIFF competition in LV for the entertainment dollar. The Strip is all about emptying wallets and it is a well-oiled machine in doing so.
So when I hear they have over 7,000 full season ticket deposits two weeks into the drive in a city that has never had a pro sports team... I find it to be incredibly impressive.
I really don't understand why people are still trying to compare Las Vegas to any other city... Well I do, it's because the people that try comparing Vegas with someplace else has clearly never lived here.
So...
The reason I think Vegas will have great success selling individual game tickets and small season packs is because LV is a true 24-hour town. So many people here work odd hours, so committing to a full season is impossible. However, many people here have interest in attending games when it works for their schedule.
Keep in mind:
They have over 7,000 people committed to a full season already. Many of those are for multiple-year commitments. That is already better than some NHL franchises.
This is with no guarantee of a team even being granted to Las Vegas... Which makes it a completely different situation from Winnipeg, where they KNEW a team was coming... A team that had been taken away from the city years earlier. Their arena (only 15k capacity compared to LV's 17.5k) sold out in minutes... Rightfully so.
The NHL also faces STIFF competition in LV for the entertainment dollar. The Strip is all about emptying wallets and it is a well-oiled machine in doing so.
So when I hear they have over 7,000 full season ticket deposits two weeks into the drive in a city that has never had a pro sports team... I find it to be incredibly impressive.
I think you mean major league team. While they're minor league franchises, the 51s and, when you had them, the Wranglers, are/were both professional teams.
I really don't understand why people are still trying to compare Las Vegas to any other city... Well I do, it's because the people that try comparing Vegas with someplace else has clearly never lived here.
Not living in Vegas is irrelevant to my query. The reasons you initially stated as a barometer of success also apply to Phoenix and Miami. Tis why I asked for elaboration.
To bring up the 51s and the Wranglers is meaningless... We both know those experiences are nowhere near MLB and NHL. So that is basically nitpicking a comment. Both teams were well supported by the city and they are essentially a bunch of nobodies playing out there.
Not living in Vegas DOES matter... Even the commissioner of the NHL came right out and said so himself. It's looked upon as a high risk / high reward situation because of the fact that it's an unproven market. Vegas has never been given a chance... But now we are starting to see some numbers... Which, given the nature of this city, are quite impressive.
I also get a kick out of people who compare Phoenix to Vegas... That is also laughable. The population difference in itself is tremendous.
To bring up the 51s and the Wranglers is meaningless... We both know those experiences are nowhere near MLB and NHL. So that is basically nitpicking a comment. Both teams were well supported by the city and they are essentially a bunch of nobodies playing out there.
Not living in Vegas DOES matter... Even the commissioner of the NHL came right out and said so himself. It's looked upon as a high risk / high reward situation because of the fact that it's an unproven market. Vegas has never been given a chance... But now we are starting to see some numbers... Which, given the nature of this city, are quite impressive.
I also get a kick out of people who compare Phoenix to Vegas... That is also laughable. The population difference in itself is tremendous.
Yes. Why compare a city of 1.9 million (Vegas) to a city more than twice its size at 4.3 million (Pheonix) that is in the same climate and has similar economies outside of gaming? The NHL team in Pheonix is a failure but that shouldn't factor into Vegas.
The NHL has been a success with fans in spite of Bettman. If the NHL was governed like other leagues, the NHL would be in the toilet. Bettman still doesn't seem to grasp the finer points of the game or its history. I will say that he has done well with the leagues finances and getting the Russian players to understand they can't continue to have rampant salary increases when the league has a pitiful TV contract in the US. If Bettman shoehorns a team into Vegas and it becomes another Coyotes, he should be fired.
Yes. Why compare a city of 1.9 million (Vegas) to a city more than twice its size at 4.3 million (Pheonix) that is in the same climate and has similar economies outside of gaming? The NHL team in Pheonix is a failure but that shouldn't factor into Vegas.
The NHL has been a success with fans in spite of Bettman. If the NHL was governed like other leagues, the NHL would be in the toilet. Bettman still doesn't seem to grasp the finer points of the game or its history. I will say that he has done well with the leagues finances and getting the Russian players to understand they can't continue to have rampant salary increases when the league has a pitiful TV contract in the US. If Bettman shoehorns a team into Vegas and it becomes another Coyotes, he should be fired.
I love people who know so much about cities they dont live in. It's adorable.
2013 Vegas MSA population: 2.06 million ... Not exactly sure where your 1.9 figure came from but you are off by more than 150,000 people. Even more so since this figure is two years old now. Nice work.
Outside of gaming, Phoenix and Vegas have the same economy? Please... Try harder.
Las Vegas is a business Mecca in the United States drawing over 22,000 conventions and meeting every year - and growing.
In 2014, LV had more than 40 million visitors... That's the same amount that Los Angeles had - a city that has nine times the population of Vegas. You think Phoenix attracted 40 million people? Try again.
Phoenix residents split their attention between the Cardinals, the Suns, the Diamondbacks and the Coyotes. Did you know that or did you forget that AZ residents have three other pro teams they're supporting?
Vegas would have it's eyes only on the NHL.
What do you find similar between Phoenix and Vegas anyways? They are exposed to sunlight?? Lol. Your reasoning is laughable.
There are now 7,650 people who disagree with your naysaying by the way... And don't be fooled, the ticket deposits are from LOCAL RESIDENTS. They aren't taking deposits from casinos, corporations and out of state residents... 7,650 local season ticket holders, many of which are multi-year plans. This is without the guarantee that a team will even be granted to the city.
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