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Old 08-25-2010, 08:42 PM
 
Location: Morgantown, WV
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...this thing is so full of fail.

A $19k-$23k+ car that seats two..gets 35/39mpg with CVT or 31/37mpg with a stick...only seats two I said...and gets a whopping 122HP engine to really move those amazingly sporty 16" stock rims. I actually test drove one for the sake of curiosity, and I'll be the first to say it..yes it sucks when considering all the facts on paper, but this thing was very close to being an amazingly interesting vehicle. It's frustrating...in person, the CR-Z really looks nice and much better than in pictures though the nose is way too long and the back needs a bit of work. The interior is nice, however it feels somewhat generic and "Civic-like". The center console in particular needs to go, it just looks cheap and toy-like with those huge numbered buttons. Total lack of power though, "sport mode" wasn't bad but "econ" mode made the thing feel like a Prius. It handled well, mostly due to the suspension and small size, however it wasn't anywhere near as amazing as a Mini. In the end, it's not efficient enough to merrit the drawbacks of being a hybrid, yet it's nowhere near sporty enough to actually be a sports coupe as it's trying to be. It looks nice and truly does have an interesting sort of "is it a coupe or is it a hatch?" type of design...it might actually be the first runner in a new segment that melds the two. But yeah, it's officially a dud...I honestly do think that a 2nd gen model with some styling refinements and more under the hood could have a ton of potential, but this thing may not make it that far to even get that chance.

Good job on being sort of close-ish...but yet so very, very far away. Here's to you, Honda .

http://automobiles.honda.com/cr-z/

http://www.autoblog.com/2010/06/18/f...11-honda-cr-z/

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Old 08-25-2010, 08:49 PM
 
Location: Brambleton, VA
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Yeah...I don't know what they were thinking with that and the Insight. I really wanted to stick with Honda for a Hybrid. But, went with the Ford Fusion Hybrid instead. It is so much better! We have that and a Mercury Mariner Hybrid and they are so much better than anything Honda was offering. What is the point of having a tiny car if the MPG matches the Ford Fusion which doesn't feel like you are driving a clown car? Why don't they try to compete with the Prius? No one is...how a company that basically pioneered the first Hybrid with the original Insight could let their vision go down the drain is puzzling.
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Old 08-25-2010, 09:13 PM
 
Location: Morgantown, WV
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exactly...they let Toyota crap all over the Insight and more or less take the Prius into the type of territory that Honda should have achieved, and now with the CR-Z being a good idea in that it's supposed to be a small, efficient, stylish, sporty, fun car...well Hyundai is going to play the role of Toyota this time around with this one and smash the CR-Z with fairly standard turbo/DI 4cyls alone and none of the hybrid mess: DailyTech - Hyundai Looks to Embarrass Honda's CR-Z Hybrid With 40+ MPG Non-hybrid Veloster. Ford also stands a chance to muscle in on the CR-Z with the Fiesta hatch, especially if they ever release a sport model or a coupe variant. And congrats on the Fusion, those are really great cars.

But to anybody out there who's a fan of cars or just likes to investigate new stuff...it's worth it to check out the CR-Z in person just to take in how "different" it is from a visual perspective. It actually does have a nice idea going with the coupe/hatch cross...it just needs less of a front overhang, 17"s and 18"s to fill up that wheel well better and compensate for the odd shape of the vehicle, 4 seats(hey if Hyundai and Mini can do it...), and a back end with less of that cheezy insight wedge to it and a bit more of a sharper slant to the roof line. It really is striking though when you first take a good look at it...but then the flaws slowly kick in.
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Old 08-25-2010, 09:21 PM
 
Location: Brambleton, VA
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exactly...they let Toyota crap all over the Insight and more or less take the Prius into the type of territory that Honda should have achieved, and now with the CR-Z being a good idea in that it's supposed to be a small, efficient, stylish, sporty, fun car...well Hyundai is going to play the role of Toyota this time around with this one and smash the CR-Z with fairly standard turbo/DI 4cyls alone and none of the hybrid mess: DailyTech - Hyundai Looks to Embarrass Honda's CR-Z Hybrid With 40+ MPG Non-hybrid Veloster

But to anybody out there who's a fan of cars or just likes to investigate new stuff...it's worth it to check out the CR-Z in person, just to take in how "different" it is. It really does have a nice idea going with the coupe/hatch cross...it just needs less of a front overhang, 17"s and 18"s to fill up that wheel well better, 4 seats(hey if Hyundai and Mini can do it...), and a back end with less of that cheezy insight wedge to it with a bit more of a sharper slant. It really is striking though when you first take a good look at it...but then the flaws slowly kick in.
I drove it. It has more pep than the Insight but still lags a bit. The handling is a bit stiff for it being more "sporty" and maybe my opinion would be different if I drove the standard transmission version but sadly, I can't drive standard. It was tiny and not as nice as I would have expected. I love the concept of it but the execution is horrible. I don't understand why they are so into the small batteries and why they can't have larger batteries like the Prius or the Fusion. The thing I love most about the Fusion is that I don't feel like I am driving a hybrid. You do when you drive the Prius although it isn't bad, definitely the Insight and CR-Z feel like you are driving a hybrid, and the Civic is probably the only other reputable hybrid that I really like. I really like the Fusion and growing the leaves! I am hoping that hey come out with a Hybrid CR-V or another Accord. At the very least they need to come up with a good plug-in hybrid. I wish I lived in CA so I could drive their hydrogen car!

So far, Toyota and Ford seem to be winning the Hybrid Wars...
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Old 08-25-2010, 10:26 PM
 
Location: Vancouver, B.C., Canada
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the should of took the light 80's version put in a modren motor and sold it.
Even back then the CRX was getting 40MPG now with a high revving 200HP out of the new model honda civic SI and a awomse power to weight ratio it could of been a great sports car for the 20 something set just like the orginal.

the orginal was great it had good handling, sporty ride, looked good and got great fuel economy and was sold for a bargin price considering and is perfect for people in their 20's that want something fun and economical.
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Old 08-25-2010, 10:49 PM
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the should of took the light 80's version put in a modren motor and sold it.
Even back then the CRX was getting 40MPG now with a high revving 200HP out of the new model honda civic SI and a awomse power to weight ratio it could of been a great sports car for the 20 something set just like the orginal.
I imagine some people have thought if the batteries could be taken out and just ignore the IMA. Perhaps they will make an SI version, but not so likely.

As far as MPG, the EPA tests the models in Normal mode, not Econ mode, so there's no way to know the Econ MPG though it might be similar to the Insight's. Still too expensive though.
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Old 08-25-2010, 10:57 PM
 
Location: Vancouver, B.C., Canada
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I imagine some people have thought if the batteries could be taken out and just ignore the IMA. Perhaps they will make an SI version, but not so likely.

As far as MPG, the EPA tests the models in Normal mode, not Econ mode, so there's no way to know the Econ MPG though it might be similar to the Insight's. Still too expensive though.
yeah in high school it was used 80's/90's 5.0 mustang's, Iroc-Z camros, jeep YJs and honda CRX Si that were "cool" and the cars to have back in the 90's they were just affordable to the 17/18 year olds that worked part time jobs.
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Old 08-25-2010, 11:03 PM
 
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Honda has lost their mojo. Ridgeline, Insight, CR-Z, Crosstour, and the Honda Civic Hybrid have all been sales duds. The Accord and gas Civic are the only things propping up Honda at the moment, and even then Honda's sales have been lagging behind the rest of the industry.
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Old 08-26-2010, 12:19 AM
 
Location: Massachusetts
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Give it another two weeks before an enterprising young Vietnamese-American lad convinces his parents to get him one in return for getting straight-A's; buys a K20A off ebay using his savings; and puts videos all over youtube of him racing Mustangs.

It weighs about 2600 lbs which isn't bad; an S2000 weighs 2800. A K20A would put it in a similar power-to-weight ratio.
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Old 08-26-2010, 10:22 AM
 
Location: Vancouver, B.C., Canada
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Give it another two weeks before an enterprising young Vietnamese-American lad convinces his parents to get him one in return for getting straight-A's; buys a K20A off ebay using his savings; and puts videos all over youtube of him racing Mustangs.

It weighs about 2600 lbs which isn't bad; an S2000 weighs 2800. A K20A would put it in a similar power-to-weight ratio.
LOL he could just buy a nice used fully loaded S2000 for less then price of a CR-Z those hybrids are expensive for what they are.
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