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Old 03-27-2012, 06:19 AM
 
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hi,
so i'm almost done with the kitchen remodel.....my cabinets are in and today, the granite guy is coming to set the 'original' granite back in place.

my kitchen sink is also the one i already had on there and it mounts under the granite. (ps. the granite and the sink are only 3 years old).

my question was about 'setting the sink' in place.......right now, the sink cabinet's openning is too large for the sink.....and i was wondering if the sink would get glued onto the granite by the granite guys, or whether i need to set the sink in place before they can put the granite back on.

please advise.
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Old 03-27-2012, 06:35 AM
 
Location: Houston, Texas
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hi,
so i'm almost done with the kitchen remodel.....my cabinets are in and today, the granite guy is coming to set the 'original' granite back in place.

my kitchen sink is also the one i already had on there and it mounts under the granite. (ps. the granite and the sink are only 3 years old).

my question was about 'setting the sink' in place.......right now, the sink cabinet's openning is too large for the sink.....and i was wondering if the sink would get glued onto the granite by the granite guys, or whether i need to set the sink in place before they can put the granite back on.

please advise.
That makes no sense at all. You said you are reusing the original granite as well as the original sink yet now the opening is too big for the sink.

Even if I'm missing something, why would they undo the sink from the granite while temporally removing the whole top?

Anyway......yes the granite guys do glue the sink to the granite before they put the top on but it doesn't matter much, I've seen them put it in after the top was set also.

I read and reread your question to make sure I'm not sounding like a goofball. Do you mean the sink base cabinet is too big? That is impossible really. 85% of every sink base installed is 36" wide which accepts 85% of every sink produced. Most all double bowl sinks are 33" which fits perfectly.

Any further info?
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Old 03-27-2012, 06:46 AM
 
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That makes no sense at all. You said you are reusing the original granite as well as the original sink yet now the opening is too big for the sink.

Even if I'm missing something, why would they undo the sink from the granite while temporally removing the whole top?

Anyway......yes the granite guys do glue the sink to the granite before they put the top on but it doesn't matter much, I've seen them put it in after the top was set also.

I read and reread your question to make sure I'm not sounding like a goofball. Do you mean the sink base cabinet is too big? That is impossible really. 85% of every sink base installed is 36" wide which accepts 85% of every sink produced. Most all double bowl sinks are 33" which fits perfectly.

Any further info?

sorry for the confusion....
yes, i do mean the sink base cabinet....and what i mean by 'it's too big' is that i can't just set the sink in there.....the opening is too large and the sink would simply fall through. (the size of the cabinet is fine....the opening isn't.....but i'm guessing that the mechanism for installing an undermount sink is different so it doesn't need to 'sit on' anything....)

Not sure why they removed the sink from the granite....but based on the videos i just watched, the sink would get attached directly to the granite using clamps, and then glued as well. correct?

bottom line.....will the granite guys take care of granite AND the sink or will i need to worry about and place the sink in place somehow before they come?
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Old 03-27-2012, 07:45 AM
 
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there should be some bracing to support the sink in addition to gluing the sink to the granite. I would have some framing added to support the sink, or get a larger sink and have the granite cut to fit the new opening.
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Old 03-27-2012, 08:02 AM
 
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there should be some bracing to support the sink in addition to gluing the sink to the granite. I would have some framing added to support the sink, or get a larger sink and have the granite cut to fit the new opening.

thanks.
i don't want to have a larger sink and i definitely don't want them to cut the granite....
i'll see if i can add some framing wood to support the sink further.....if i don't, will i still be ok or might the sink fall down if there's water/dishes in there?
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Old 03-27-2012, 08:32 AM
 
Location: Johns Creek, GA
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If the sink was cut away from the granite from the original install- that could only mean one thing. It wasn't installed correctly to begin with. It was probably just siliconed into place. Not very secure if full of water and a Disposal.
Undermount sinks should be epoxied into place. I'm not a particular fan of "bowtie" clips- though they are good for holding the sink in place until the epoxy has cured. My granite fabricator would use blocks with epoxy to secure the sink in-place. Epoxying the entire perimeter of the sink flange. Then a nice bead of silicone on the topside where the sink meets the granite for a complete water-tight seal.
This type of installation doesn't "cut-off" easily- As a matter of fact, my fabricator won't even take the chance reusing a sink. He'd rather install a new one knowing that he'll get a good bond and no return calls.
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Old 03-27-2012, 12:13 PM
 
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Definitely brace it. When I redid the kitchen in my house I installed an undermount deep kolder sink. Thinking with water dishes etc, bathing grandchild; how much do you really lose by playing it safe.
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Old 03-27-2012, 12:36 PM
 
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Definitely brace it. When I redid the kitchen in my house I installed an undermount deep kolder sink. Thinking with water dishes etc, bathing grandchild; how much do you really lose by playing it safe.

by "bracing it", do you mean screwing a couple of long pieces of wood and having the sink sit on top of that?
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Old 03-27-2012, 12:46 PM
 
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by "bracing it", do you mean screwing a couple of long pieces of wood and having the sink sit on top of that?
Yes!
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Old 03-27-2012, 01:15 PM
 
Location: Johns Creek, GA
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by "bracing it", do you mean screwing a couple of long pieces of wood and having the sink sit on top of that?

One thing you didn't clarify- and I should have asked- What type of sink is it?
SS, composite, or cast iron?
As I previously stated, the process I referred to is for SS type sinks. But if you have cast iron type sink, supports are definitely needed. There are several companies that make supports but they're all pretty much the same. Like these:
Vance Undermount Sink Brackets

Wood bracing is not really the way to go due to sagging, water damage, etc.
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