Ceiling fan regulations (Home Depot, install, bathrooms, toilets)
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If you liked what the government mandated for light bulbs, toilets, etc. you might get a kick out of new ceiling fan rules... more expense with questionable benefits.
If you liked what the government mandated for light bulbs, toilets, etc. you might get a kick out of new ceiling fan rules
1. There are no new rules. There is a 100-page doc that I skimmed that asks for industry input in creating new rules.
2. One company, http://www.fanimation.com/ , appears to be opposed to any new rules. I cannot really determine why. I think it is because some of their "decorative" fans don't actually do anything useful. It appears from my reading of the EPA proposal that they plan to exempt decorative fans.
3. I understand your feelings about light bulbs and toilets, but how about: refrigerators and washing machines? Energy Star was a useful driver in my opinion. And, my new, cheap ($98 USD from Home Depot) 1.2/1.8 toilet works fine. Light bulbs will be a non-issue in 5 years.
1. There are no new rules. There is a 100-page doc that I skimmed that asks for industry input in creating new rules.
2. One company, Fanimation | One Complete Revolution® in Ceiling Fans , appears to be opposed to any new rules. I cannot really determine why. I think it is because some of their "decorative" fans don't actually do anything useful. It appears from my reading of the EPA proposal that they plan to exempt decorative fans.
3. I understand your feelings about light bulbs and toilets, but how about: refrigerators and washing machines? Energy Star was a useful driver in my opinion. And, my new, cheap ($98 USD from Home Depot) 1.2/1.8 toilet works fine. Light bulbs will be a non-issue in 5 years.
Somewhat OT - but why will light bulbs be a non-issue in 5 years?
And why would a decorative fan be exempt from the rules? Seems to me that something that does nothing except use energy should have the most stringent regulations. Robyn
Somewhat OT - but why will light bulbs be a non-issue in 5 years?
And why would a decorative fan be exempt from the rules? Seems to me that something that does nothing except use energy should have the most stringent regulations.
1. LEDs will change everything related to light bulbs. And, they will be cheap.
2. Read the 100 pages.
1. LEDs will change everything related to light bulbs. And, they will be cheap.
2. Read the 100 pages.
I'm not going to read the 100 pages - because I don't like fans in general - and wouldn't buy one that's merely decorative. Perhaps you could hum a few bars for people whose interests are different than mine?
With regard to LEDs - you're probably not interested in lighting design (or in any profession that has anything to do with it). I don't know how many LEDs I currently own (maybe 25-30?). They work fine. For bathrooms - task lighting in home offices - stuff like that. They are 100% awful when it comes to decent mood lighting in living areas - especially those with dimming systems. LEDs are currently - in general - notoriously bad ---> awful when it comes to dimming. I've been told that they'd work better in areas with dimmers if I got new LED dimmers But I estimated the job - and it would only cost about $2k to redo all our dimmers (parts and labor). GMAFB . And just FWIW - the "can" LEDs I'm seeing today are now about $10 more per bulb than they were a year or two ago. So I don't see the cost going down a huge amount in the near future.
And just FWIW - about 75-80% of our electric costs are for HVAC - and probably another 15% for things like hot water and non-lighting electric costs. If I saved 100% on our lighting costs spending thousands for more new bulbs and dimming systems - well I might save a big $15/month. At age 65 - I'd have to live in this house until I was about 90 or so to break even. Don't think that's going to happen. Doesn't make sense to me from any POV (aesthetic - financial - or otherwise). Robyn
With regard to LEDs -
1. ... They are 100% awful when it comes to decent mood lighting in living areas
2. ... And just FWIW - the "can" LEDs I'm seeing today are now about $10 more per bulb than they were a year or two ago. So I don't see the cost going down a huge amount in the near future.
I'll believe Moore's law in light bulbs when I see it. What I see in the stores today is "new 100 watt energy efficient light bulbs" (at lower wattages than the old ones) at 3-4 times the old prices. In all honesty - I couldn't care less about the cost of light bulbs - but I am an above average income consumer - and it matters a lot of a fair number of people. Robyn
Philips has launched new-generation 7W, 8W, 10W and 13W LED light bulbs in the Taiwan market at retail prices of NT$399 (US$13.3), NT$399, NT$499 and NT$599 respectively, according to Philips Taiwan.
The light bulbs are 40% higher in brightness than omni-directional LED bulbs of the same wattage offered by other vendors as measured in 3-meter down-lighting distance, Philips Taiwan cited testing by the Taiwan Electric Research & Testing Center as indicating. In addition, the new Philips light bulbs consume about 20% less power than models of the preceding generation and have passed IEC 62471 photobiological safety of lamps and lamp systems certification, Philips Taiwan said.
Philips new-generation LED light bulbs have service life of about 15,000 hours, equivalent to use for about 10 years, Philips Taiwan indicated.
The bulbs they're replacing used to cost about $7 - and lasted for about 2 years in areas of high use. So it will take me 10+ years to "break even". Robyn
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Some good, some bad
. And just FWIW - the "can" LEDs I'm seeing today are now about $10 more per bulb than they were a year or two ago. So I don't see the cost going down a huge amount in the near future.
