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Old 02-21-2014, 11:45 AM
 
Location: Central Maine
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Did anyone hear about this latest news about the EPA supposedly coming out with new regs on wood stoves. It said that 80% would be banned according to new epa regs because of emissions. This is sad if it is true.


EPA Tightening Regulations on Wood Stoves

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Old 02-21-2014, 06:44 PM
 
Location: Cold Springs, NV
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What's the big deal, because it has no effect on what's already installed? Standards change constantly so maybe I don't get the gripe. Why would you want a less efficient stove?
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Old 02-21-2014, 06:49 PM
 
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What's the big deal, because it has no effect on what's already installed?
Depends on the state/area.... many states/areas have retroactive laws regarding existing stoves and some places forbid selling the house with one installed. These stoves are often built like the proverbial brick ****house, reselling or installing used unit is also not an option in many places.
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Old 02-21-2014, 07:07 PM
 
Location: Cold Springs, NV
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Depends on the state/area.... many states/areas have retroactive laws regarding existing stoves and some places forbid selling the house with one installed. These stoves are often built like the proverbial brick ****house, reselling or installing used unit is also not an option in many places.
I installed a stove in California in 1988 that had to meet EPA requirements at that time, and was not a problem when I sold in 2011. When I bought here in Reno, NV I had to sign a form saying I would not install a wood, or pellet burning device. Reno has problems with unhealthy particulate matter in the Winter months. Is there a problem with not killing ourselves?

We deal with regulations on a daily basis. We stop at stop signs, we pay taxes, and we vote. What does increasing standards on NEW stoves have to do with the tea in China?
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Old 02-21-2014, 09:56 PM
 
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My home has an EPA certified Catalyst equipped low emission stove that was installed with a permit.

I have several cords of seasoned Oak that I cut, split, stacked from storm damage on my property.

The only days cold enough to use the stove were spare the air days and no burning allowed under penalty.

I use to donate free seasoned Oak and deliver it to the county assistance program for low income senior and disabled homeowners... they no longer accept firewood and request cash donations instead.

I understand where you are coming from... federal government has tax credits for installing EPA stoves and local government says it is impossible to know who is using one and who is not... so a blanket burn ban.

Even back in the Carter days, the President urged all that could to install a wood burner to lessen dependence on imported oil... Wood is America's renewable resource and the same CO is released when wood is burned or rots...

It would seem there should be some way to allow clean burning stoves as part of a national energy independence program.
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Old 02-21-2014, 10:02 PM
 
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It's an important health issue. Vermont has the highest rate of adult asthma in the country. The area isn't sparsely populated and doesn't have industrial air pollution. They say it's all due to the wood burning stoves.
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Old 02-21-2014, 10:15 PM
 
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There is a clean way to burn and many don't.

Burning quality seasoned hardwoods in a properly designed, certified and maintained stove is not the problem and I have gone so far as to have the Air District admit to this in a public hearing.

The problem is people do what they want to do and my local district said enforcement is the issue.

Anyone driving a car the smokes down the road is subject to citation... old or new.

Too bad we can't use a little common sense when it comes to keeping warm in the winter.

A few weeks ago people froze in their homes because the power was out and propane was in short supply... plus some simply could not afford the doubling of prices...
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Old 02-21-2014, 10:59 PM
 
Location: Somewhere in America
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It's an important health issue. Vermont has the highest rate of adult asthma in the country. The area isn't sparsely populated and doesn't have industrial air pollution. They say it's all due to the wood burning stoves.
I've seen MANY people burn wood that is not seasoned and wood that should NEVER be burned indoors ie pine. Vermont also is the #1 state for maple syrup. Know how that's made? All wood fired! And not seasoned wood.

Cleaning your flue is also a big deal. I know people who don't do that either.

Actually, most of Vermont is pretty sparsely populated. Their version of a big city is still smaller than the bathroom at a subway station in Manhattan.
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Old 02-21-2014, 11:34 PM
 
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I meant IS sparsely populated. That was my point. There are enough people producing pollution. It's all indoor pollution causing the asthma.
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Old 02-22-2014, 05:46 AM
 
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We deal with regulations on a daily basis. We stop at stop signs, we pay taxes, and we vote. What does increasing standards on NEW stoves have to do with the tea in China?
I don't necessarily have an issue with these standards because as I understand it they are achievable for little or no cost. What I do take issue with is outlawing a perfectly usable piece of equipment as some of these areas are doing. I's akin to someone telling you that you can no longer drive a perfectly fine car from the 80's.
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