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Originally Posted by chet everett
The sorts of things that you've done, taking outlets / switch out of the wall, messing around with breakers, poking around behind the wiring CAN GET YOU KILLED. WHAT IS THE GOAL?
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dude, the three prong outlets should not be there, as is. None of them are grounded, all i've done to know this is plug a standard $10 ckt tester in and it said "no ground". If the wiring is grounded at the box the outlets that are in them are not connected properly.
something similar to this is what i used:
Using that is no more dangerous than plugging in a lamp.
I did not open the panel or do anything else "dangerous." I did flip off the breaker, remove one outlet cover, unscrew that outlet and look at the wiring behind it. With the breaker off, that is also not dangerous.
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"WHY WOULD YOU THINK A LARGE COMPLEX, REMODELED BY QUALIFIED CONTRACTORS WAS NOT DONE TO CODE?"
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Because the outlets are not grounded! Earlier you said they might be ok because maybe a permit wasn't pulled for the rest of the apt when they did the kitchen. Well, if that is true, then the outlets should be 1940s outlets, not 2014 modern, slick, square outlets.
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The outlets shouldn't have been switched to normal three prong outlets.NO EVIDENCE FOR THIS! They should be grounded if there is a ground in the box (the ground screws in the outlets should be attached to the box) FALSE!!! I and others explains the BX armour itself is a code compliant ground
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Again, ^^ that is only true *IF* the outlets are grounded correctly, which they are not. So if it is the wiring your talking about then all they have to due is run a wire from the green screw on the outlet to the metal box right? Why wasn't that done? Its CODE to have grounded outlets grounded (unless they're GFIs, which these ARE NOT).
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If this was done by the contractors it was not "to code" but it is in a grey area of sorts if someone else did it. NO SUCH THINGS AS GRAY AREA! CODE IS CODE!
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Earlier you said if they only pulled permits for the kitchen then the outlets elsewhere wouldn't have been inspected. So now you're saying its not code when earlier you said it wasn't? By "grey area" i meant who is responsible for it. if the contractor was only hired to do the kitchen and someone else (maintenance guy? maybe?) swapped out the outlets later then it wouldn't have been inspected. I used the word "code" in error.
Again, I only took one outlet out of the wall about 1/2 inch, to see if it was 3 wire or 2 wire. The breaker was off. I haven't opened the panel or removed switches or anything else.
I became concerned when I discovered the outlets weren't grounded WHICH IS NOT TO CODE (they need to either be marked ungrounded with GFIs or 2 prong outlets), and is dangerous to my electronics (at least) or to me if something shorts. That's why I'm concerned.
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Secondly: the breaker is clearly not wired correctly. YOU ARE NOT QUALIFIED TO MAKE THIS JUDGEMENT
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Also everyone else seems to think the issue with the two small breakers in slot 9 is an issue. I am not an expert but it is worth an expert looking at it. Which is why I am calling the office about it, tomorrow morning.