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Old 06-24-2020, 04:18 PM
 
Location: Wonderland
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Does most of populated Texas even have a frost line?
HellifIknow.

All I know is most homes don't have basements because it's not cold enough for long enough.
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Old 06-24-2020, 04:50 PM
 
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HellifIknow.

All I know is most homes don't have basements because it's not cold enough for long enough.
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Most houses in Texas don't have basements because of 1) the frost line and 2) the type of soil that's common here. The frost line is the biggest issue though.
Wait. You don't know if most of Texas has a frost line but you do know that the frost line is the main reason most of Texas has no basements?

What does air temperature have to do with having basements?
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Old 06-24-2020, 05:53 PM
 
Location: Dessert
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I've never lived in a house with a basement.
Storage seems like an excellent use.
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Old 06-24-2020, 06:28 PM
 
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The last house had a basement. It was 3/4 finished. Most of it was a workout room. The rest was HVAC/water heater and storage. I would love to have a basement again.
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Old 06-24-2020, 09:57 PM
 
Location: Lost in Montana *recalculating*...
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Wait. You don't know if most of Texas has a frost line but you do know that the frost line is the main reason most of Texas has no basements?

What does air temperature have to do with having basements?
It has to do with the foundation. If you were to build a house, say in NE Montana on a slab, the soil frost heave would more than likely wreck your foundation in short order. It's fairly pronounced in that area. The frost line is between 60-70". That's almost 6 ft. In areas with little frost line- you can build slab on grade which is cheaper.

That's why most homes in states that experience colder winters generally have at a minimum a crawl space - to get the foundation below the frost line.

https://www.hammerpedia.com/montana-frost-line/

https://basementengineering.com/fros...es-foundation/

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Frost Action and Foundations

The conventional approach to the design of foundations to prevent frost damage is to place the foundation beyond the depth of expected maximum frost penetration so that the soil beneath the bearing surface will not freeze. This prevents most of the vertical upheaval from frost heave, although the foundation will still experience additional horizontal pressures. The remaining pressures can be further reduced with well drained soils for backfill.
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Old 06-24-2020, 10:38 PM
 
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It has to do with the foundation. If you were to build a house, say in NE Montana on a slab, the soil frost heave would more than likely wreck your foundation in short order. It's fairly pronounced in that area. The frost line is between 60-70". That's almost 6 ft. In areas with little frost line- you can build slab on grade which is cheaper.

That's why most homes in states that experience colder winters generally have at a minimum a crawl space - to get the foundation below the frost line.

https://www.hammerpedia.com/montana-frost-line/

https://basementengineering.com/fros...es-foundation/
I guess you missed the part where the discussion was about what happens in Texas, not Montana.
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Old 06-24-2020, 11:03 PM
 
Location: Lost in Montana *recalculating*...
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I guess you missed the part where the discussion was about what happens in Texas, not Montana.
I guess I don't understand your question then? The OP was illustrating why there are few basements in TX. They literally have no frost line thus no frost heave.

I was simply explaining why they don't and why we do.
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Old 06-24-2020, 11:32 PM
 
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I guess I don't understand your question then? The OP was illustrating why there are few basements in TX. They literally have no frost line thus no frost heave.

I was simply explaining why they don't and why we do.
She said they have a frost line which was the main reason for no basements, not a lack of one; that's why it made no sense to me.

A lot of Texas has lousy soil too, but that's a different problem. I don't know if a more substantial footing would solve the problem of their slabs coming apart but that would also be applicable to a house with a basement. Sometimes, it's simply custom that prevails.
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Old 06-25-2020, 02:18 AM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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Basements make good man caves.
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Old 06-25-2020, 06:40 AM
 
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Wait. You don't know if most of Texas has a frost line but you do know that the frost line is the main reason most of Texas has no basements?

What does air temperature have to do with having basements?
I would guess it has more to do with water tables....
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