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Old 11-17-2009, 04:41 PM
 
Location: Ridgewood
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Anything in a kitchen, bathroom, garage, unfinished basement or outdoors should have GFI protection.
This is wrong. We just read that only kitchen outlets serving counters need GFCI protection.
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Old 11-17-2009, 05:50 PM
 
Location: Eastern Washington
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Definitely put the fridge on it's own circuit, not involved with the GFCI outlets, and I'd run 12 gauge wire to it as well. As opposed to 14 gauge.
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Old 11-17-2009, 09:01 PM
 
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Definitely put the fridge on it's own circuit, not involved with the GFCI outlets, and I'd run 12 gauge wire to it as well. As opposed to 14 gauge.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought that 14 gauge was only used for lights, and never for outlets.
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Old 11-17-2009, 10:52 PM
 
Location: sowf jawja
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This is wrong. We just read that only kitchen outlets serving counters need GFCI protection.
You were reading the wrong book then. I suggest you seek the help of a professional.



As for the answer being two in the kitchen;

The NEC requires a minimum of two small appliance branch circuits in the kitchen; using one GFCI per circuit, you would need a minimum of two.
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Old 11-17-2009, 10:59 PM
 
Location: sowf jawja
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought that 14 gauge was only used for lights, and never for outlets.
That's wrong.

We use #14 for everything the code allows.

#12 is required for the kitchen counter receps, the dining room or adjacent nook to the kitchen, bathroom receptacles and you must have at least one 20A circuit (#12) in the laundry room for the washing machine. And of course for any fixed appliance that requires that size.

I run #14 for the fridge, dishwasher, icemaker, etc. . . unless I'm given specs beforehand that tell me the appliance needs a 20A circuit; the microwave can be on #14 but we use #12.

Also keep in mind any 20A circuits with only one device require a 20A device, not the economy grade 15A.

Everything else is fair game for #14; personally i think its foolish to waste the money on anything above it. And the labor for #14 is less than #12.
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Old 11-18-2009, 05:52 AM
 
Location: Ridgewood
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Originally Posted by Bergenite
This is wrong. We just read that only kitchen outlets serving counters need GFCI protection.

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You were reading the wrong book then. I suggest you seek the help of a professional.
southgeorgia,

Then what you're saying is that every outlet in the entire kitchen requires GFCI protection?
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Old 11-18-2009, 06:39 AM
 
Location: Visitation between Wal-Mart & Home Depot
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This is wrong. We just read that only kitchen outlets serving counters need GFCI protection.
That's actually not wrong at all. Since at least 2002 the NEC has required all 15A and 20A receptacles (with a few exceptions) in kitchens, bathrooms, ground level accessory buildings - whether finished or unfinished, basements, crawlspaces or outdoors - even if under the eave line, be GFCI protected.
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Old 11-18-2009, 06:41 AM
 
Location: Visitation between Wal-Mart & Home Depot
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As for the answer being two in the kitchen;

The NEC requires a minimum of two small appliance branch circuits in the kitchen; using one GFCI per circuit, you would need a minimum of two.
I see. Thanks.
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Old 11-18-2009, 07:00 AM
 
Location: Ridgewood
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That's actually not wrong at all. Since at least 2002 the NEC has required all 15A and 20A receptacles (with a few exceptions) in kitchens, bathrooms, ground level accessory buildings - whether finished or unfinished, basements, crawlspaces or outdoors - even if under the eave line, be GFCI protected.
Maybe I am reading the wrong book. But here's what the 2005 NEC says about the requirement for GFCI's in kitchens.

Article 210.8(A)6 Kitchens- Where the receptacles are installed to serve the countertop surfaces.

Has the 2008 version changed to include every outlet in the kitchen?
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Old 11-18-2009, 07:24 AM
 
Location: Visitation between Wal-Mart & Home Depot
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Maybe I am reading the wrong book. But here's what the 2005 NEC says about the requirement for GFCI's in kitchens.

Article 210.8(A)6 Kitchens- Where the receptacles are installed to serve the countertop surfaces.

Has the 2008 version changed to include every outlet in the kitchen?
Keep reading in 210.8(A).
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