Owner kills 3 robbers in jewelry store shootout (Houston, Howe: home, school)

[oceangaia]

Originally Posted by robertrulez

Especially since a young high school girl just died of a ricochet bullet last week.
Houston police still looking for teenage girl's killer | Houston & Texas News | Chron.com - Houston Chronicle

Nothing in that article to suggest it was a ricochet shot, it was a man running down the street shooting at things. No relevance at all to using a gun to defend yourself from criminals.

[Ashlynn_Joy]

Originally Posted by Malvie

Me, too, Topaz, I'm roundly criticized by my friends for being a "bleeding heart liberal" but I think Mr. Castillo acted intelligently, swiftly, and correctly.

These people aren't just robbing, they're killing, raping, maiming. And they are not deserving of any "humane" treatment, they are not "poor little lambs who have lost their way", they are menaces to society.

I'm all for getting the RIGHT ones, and I think the Police FREQUENTLY get the WRONG ones, and I think the Prosecutors are generally worthless--they're just trying to make a splash to get out of the Prosecutor's office--but when the individual citizen like Mr. Castillo is in personal danger (along with his family), there's no doubt who the "right ones" are--and he just saved himself and his family, while saving us a lot of money prosecuting their worthless ***ess, while keeping them from robbing somebody else later.

Oh, and I'm all about treating people fairly. These people were treated fairly. I hope their mama's are sobbing.

Interesting...very interesting.

[Ashlynn_Joy]

Originally Posted by EasilyAmused

This goes for any break-in these days and they are on the increase all over this metro, at any time of the day. If you have a gun use it, because they have one and they will.

If you have kids, have plan. Somewhere they are supposed to go when that panic/instant alarm horn sounds, and make sure it's not anywhere near you and your gun.

I will make sure when I take my morning jog in the summer not to walk too close to anyone's driveway. I may stop to tie my shoe and find myself being shot dead in point blank range.

I get quite tan in the summertime...

After all...it is self defense right? An example for others. Your perceived sense of safety (dominance and control) is worth more than my human life. Thats not self-defense, thats murder.

God bless Texas...and nobody else.

[EasilyAmused]

Originally Posted by Antebellum_Goddess

I will make sure when I take my morning jog in the summer not to walk too close to anyone's driveway. I may stop to tie my shoe and find myself being shot dead in point blank range.

I get quite tan in the summertime...

After all...it is self defense right? An example for others. Your perceived sense of safety (dominance and control) is worth more than my human life.

God bless Texas...and nobody else.

God have mercy...I get it now.

You come in my house uninvited and will ill intent, any damn color you are, you will be regaurded as hostile. Your "human worth" left you the minute you decided to cause my family,or any family, harm.

Yes, welcome to Texas.

[Ashlynn_Joy]

Originally Posted by EasilyAmused

You come in my house uninvited and will ill intent, any damn color you are, you will be regaurded as hostile. Your "human worth" left you the minute you decided to cause my family harm.

Yes, welcome to Texas.

If I am jogging on a public sidewalk close to your home or anyone elses for that matter...how in the world can you interpret that as me being hostile with ill intent? How can you prove that? You can't. However I welcome you to challenge my "human worth" as I take my morning jog on a public sidewalk.

However I must say I agree with this statement as it stands alone, paraphrase...Your "human worth" leaves you the minute you decided to cause my family...or anybody's family harm. I agree with that statement wholeheartedly...again as it stands alone.

[tdhg566]

Originally Posted by EasilyAmused

You come in my house uninvited and will ill intent, any damn color you are, you will be regaurded as hostile. Your "human worth" left you the minute you decided to cause my family,or any family, harm.

Yes, welcome to Texas.

Amen. In fact, if I find such a person in my house, I will simply shoot them, make sure they are dead, and THEN ask them their intent.

It's really a very, very simple rule. Stay out of someone else's house unless you are invited in. This isn't hard to understand, or follow.

[Texascrude]

I wouldn't shoot a person jogging on the sidewalk (obviously)... but if anyone has an unleashed dog that ever runs towards me barking I'd gun it down without a second thought.

[EasilyAmused]

Originally Posted by Antebellum_Goddess

If I am jogging on a public sidewalk close to your home or anyone elses for that matter...how in the world can you interpret that as me being hostile with ill intent? How can you prove that? You can't. However I welcome you to challenge my "human worth" as I take my morning jog on a public sidewalk.

Who's talking about a sidewalk??...I'm talking about crossing my threshold...setting off an alarm...You're making up your own damn story........sheesh.

Besides we don't have sidewalks around here. Thank goodness.

[Malvie]

Originally Posted by Antebellum_Goddess

I will make sure when I take my morning jog in the summer not to walk too close to anyone's driveway. I may stop to tie my shoe and find myself being shot dead in point blank range.

I get quite tan in the summertime...

After all...it is self defense right? An example for others. Your perceived sense of safety (dominance and control) is worth more than my human life. Thats not self-defense, thats murder.

God bless Texas...and nobody else.

You're just talking about totally different things.

These nice fellows were not out taking a little jog, only to be set upon by the evil Mr. Castillo. They were inside his store, with guns; they tied up his wife and were going to both rob and possibly murder the two of them.

And from what I understand, the Castillos and the robbers were the same skin tone?

I am all for finding the right party. I think far too often in Texas, we've had people (often people of color) picked out of a lineup and imprisoned--even executed--because of overzealous prosecution using sketchy evidence. In all such cases, I think the state's standards ought to be much higher.

In this case, Mr. Castillo was in immediate danger on his own property. Regardless of the insurance situation, regardless of the criminal background of the people holding him and his wife ("Pardon me, sir, do you have a criminal record?"), Mr. Castillo was in immediate personal danger.

Bravo, Mr. Castillo.

And as far as their humanity---yes, in fact, I agree with the other folks--they gave up their rights when they went into the store and attacked the couple. They forfeited their rights as citizens. They deserved exactly what they got.

(And a note to all: I totally don't care what color you are or what language you speak, if you come in my house by kicking in the back door, I am going to use the shotgun first and ask questions later. It will effectively remove your head. Choose your victims carefully.)

[Ashlynn_Joy]

Originally Posted by Texascrude

I wouldn't shoot a person jogging on the sidewalk (obviously)... but if anyone has an unleashed dog that ever runs towards me barking I'd gun it down without a second thought.

The dog or the person?..Or both? Or maybe it depends on the breed of both animals?

I have a little 4 month old Collie, German Shepherd, and a Yorkie...I better keep em on a tight leash! At the park I go to I always have people coming up to them petting them...I never realized anyone could take their mere presence as a perceived threat.